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pan6467 · 03-23-2005, 03:42 AM

It's 1919 all over again.

This is one reason why baseball introduced a non-biased commisioner. Note, the majority of all there steroid usage rumors started after old Bud became not just an owner but commisioner also.

Of course baseball turned away from this and allowed it to happen. I remember in Phoenix reading a former Indians story..... wish I could remember who it was... Anyway, the guy was in prison for meth and he talked how the Indians would have the pills out and that players would down them with coffee before games to get "up".

Baseball is a business and they turned the blind eye on 'roids and speed because it helped put people in seats.

Did McGwire use 'roids? Probably. Will many of the stars from the 90's till now be looked at? Probably. Could a declining Omar Vizquel have a career year at 37 last year without the help of something? Probably not.

The declining values and morals in baseball is just a reflection of society as a whole. People are taking drugs for every little trivial problem now from toenail fungus to psoriasis to drinking Red Bull to Viagra to Propecia to the adult ADD drugs to Xanax, Ativan any other Benzo drug out there..... whatever helps get you through man.

As an aging society we expect our players to play well into their later years so that we don't feel old. One of the reasons gossip columns and rags sell so much is because we (as a society) live vicariously through the rich and famous, so that we may face our lives. We thrive on seeing the rich and famous suffer and in pain because it shows us commoners we maybe happier and that all that fame has a cost.

So in the end baseball just gave the people what they wanted, as their research showed that HRs were where the money was.

They are now caught though, and not just Bonds or McGwire but I feel we'll see a lot of baseballers start going down fast and baseball will take it on the chin. Until like in the 1920's a new Babe Ruth comes along.

The NBA in the late 70's was mired down with drug and crime rumors, innuendoes and such. It took Bird and Magic to bring life and respectability back....

I'll close saying this.... I am not saying what baseball did was right and each and every player should be held accountable. Bonds put his target on himself, if you live in the spotlight and proclaim to be the best and trash true legends like Ruth, show apathy and anger towards the press and fans then expect understanding and pity when you are hurting, you don't know human nature.

Ask Albert (Don't call me Joey) Belle where all that anger and hatred gets you.

Look at McGwire, by all accounts he is a great guy, yes, some are frying him but in the end he'll be the Shoeless Joe that gets the pity and the love. Not because of race as I am sure someone will bring up (Bonds would) but because McGwire was always accesible to the press and his fans. Bonds was anything but.

03-23-2005, 03:42 AM	#23 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	It's 1919 all over again. This is one reason why baseball introduced a non-biased commisioner. Note, the majority of all there steroid usage rumors started after old Bud became not just an owner but commisioner also. Of course baseball turned away from this and allowed it to happen. I remember in Phoenix reading a former Indians story..... wish I could remember who it was... Anyway, the guy was in prison for meth and he talked how the Indians would have the pills out and that players would down them with coffee before games to get "up". Baseball is a business and they turned the blind eye on 'roids and speed because it helped put people in seats. Did McGwire use 'roids? Probably. Will many of the stars from the 90's till now be looked at? Probably. Could a declining Omar Vizquel have a career year at 37 last year without the help of something? Probably not. The declining values and morals in baseball is just a reflection of society as a whole. People are taking drugs for every little trivial problem now from toenail fungus to psoriasis to drinking Red Bull to Viagra to Propecia to the adult ADD drugs to Xanax, Ativan any other Benzo drug out there..... whatever helps get you through man. As an aging society we expect our players to play well into their later years so that we don't feel old. One of the reasons gossip columns and rags sell so much is because we (as a society) live vicariously through the rich and famous, so that we may face our lives. We thrive on seeing the rich and famous suffer and in pain because it shows us commoners we maybe happier and that all that fame has a cost. So in the end baseball just gave the people what they wanted, as their research showed that HRs were where the money was. They are now caught though, and not just Bonds or McGwire but I feel we'll see a lot of baseballers start going down fast and baseball will take it on the chin. Until like in the 1920's a new Babe Ruth comes along. The NBA in the late 70's was mired down with drug and crime rumors, innuendoes and such. It took Bird and Magic to bring life and respectability back.... I'll close saying this.... I am not saying what baseball did was right and each and every player should be held accountable. Bonds put his target on himself, if you live in the spotlight and proclaim to be the best and trash true legends like Ruth, show apathy and anger towards the press and fans then expect understanding and pity when you are hurting, you don't know human nature. Ask Albert (Don't call me Joey) Belle where all that anger and hatred gets you. Look at McGwire, by all accounts he is a great guy, yes, some are frying him but in the end he'll be the Shoeless Joe that gets the pity and the love. Not because of race as I am sure someone will bring up (Bonds would) but because McGwire was always accesible to the press and his fans. Bonds was anything but. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?"