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Old 03-21-2005, 09:08 AM   #51 (permalink)
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No programs like these help people. Breaking a sprit to rebuild/reprogram is not helpful, it's damaging and destructive. Most of the time it takes years for the abuse to resurface in a way that you can put into perspective and come to terms that what happened to you was abusive and wrong. Just like what happens with abused children at home by their own parents. Only with this, we’re talking about childhood “program” abuse, brainwashing and cult tactics; ie; Behavior Modification: taking inspiration from theories fashionable at the time and particularly from Chinese methods of thought control much like if not just like EST; est adopted, in part, the Zen master approach, which was often abusive, profane, demeaning, and authoritarian. (One of my favorite Zen stories is of the master who asks his disciple a series of questions. No matter what the disciple answers, the master hits him with a stick. Even contradictory answers are met with the stick.) While many participants did not perceive the training as particularly abusive, some were not used to the discipline requested of them. Some have claimed that one typically abusive approach was the requirement of extraordinary bladder control in est training. Participants were advised not to leave the room, even to go to the toilet, during training.

What do you know about these programs, Cynthetic? Did you know that their methods are verbal abuse and a cult-like mentality, and "working their program” means that they were adequately brainwashed?

I don't see where my discussion was disrespectful, and I'm really confused as to what your problem is with me. I think that if you're going to correct me, you must first have a better understanding of the subject matter and not just reprimand me for exercising my freedom to avoid conflict, by not debating a subject that I know better than to even try.

I DO NOT AGREE WITH CULT METHODS!! PERIOD.
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