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Willravel · 03-20-2005, 12:20 PM

I say we start phasing to alternates as soon as possible. Biodeisel, hydrogen, hydroelectric, wind, solar, and (theoretical ->) zero point power sources should be studied for possible applications as the bell curve of fuel makes gas and oil more expensive and less available. If instead of securing fuel sources with our massive wealth, America were to invest in inventions and real solutions like alternate fuel and self sufficiency, we might actually survive.

What worries me: instead of taking the road less traveled and going with science for solutions, we are taking the warmunger road and are trying to secure all fuel sources on the planet in the ficticious war on terror. It's no coincedence that Iraq, Iran, Syria, West Africa, and Saudi Arabia are named as terrorist states; they have some of the worlds largest oil reserves. So what happens? We kill tons of people to get oil that will quickly run out anyways. Good job, guys. What this means is that, like America, the world will become polarized over alternate fuel/the war on oil. This puts everyone in serious danger, espically those in the countries who have decided to try and take all the oil. Guess who will the biggest oil takers be? America (and our butt-buddy, the UK), obviously, and almost certianally Japan and/or China (I still think that there is a chance they might end up trying to take each other out). While I still don't see it as likely (eternal optimist , here), it is *possible* that the war will escalate. In that worst-case sceneereo, cities will not be too safe, espicially those near military bases. Paranoia aside, there will be a need for a strong sense of community and people willing to do a lot of farming in order to keep people from starving.

check out:
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/
and
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ating_oil.html

Edit: oops, sorry, twotimesadingo, didn't mean to repeat what you said, though it does bear repeating.

03-20-2005, 12:20 PM	#73 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	I say we start phasing to alternates as soon as possible. Biodeisel, hydrogen, hydroelectric, wind, solar, and (theoretical ->) zero point power sources should be studied for possible applications as the bell curve of fuel makes gas and oil more expensive and less available. If instead of securing fuel sources with our massive wealth, America were to invest in inventions and real solutions like alternate fuel and self sufficiency, we might actually survive. What worries me: instead of taking the road less traveled and going with science for solutions, we are taking the warmunger road and are trying to secure all fuel sources on the planet in the ficticious war on terror. It's no coincedence that Iraq, Iran, Syria, West Africa, and Saudi Arabia are named as terrorist states; they have some of the worlds largest oil reserves. So what happens? We kill tons of people to get oil that will quickly run out anyways. Good job, guys. What this means is that, like America, the world will become polarized over alternate fuel/the war on oil. This puts everyone in serious danger, espically those in the countries who have decided to try and take all the oil. Guess who will the biggest oil takers be? America (and our butt-buddy, the UK), obviously, and almost certianally Japan and/or China (I still think that there is a chance they might end up trying to take each other out). While I still don't see it as likely (eternal optimist , here), it is possible that the war will escalate. In that worst-case sceneereo, cities will not be too safe, espicially those near military bases. Paranoia aside, there will be a need for a strong sense of community and people willing to do a lot of farming in order to keep people from starving. check out: http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/ and http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ating_oil.html Edit: oops, sorry, twotimesadingo, didn't mean to repeat what you said, though it does bear repeating.