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Old 03-16-2005, 09:13 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by inkriminator
I don't think you quite understand what happened, they limited the rate at which I can download, they didn't restrict my ability to download. I am unlikely to exceed their cap while I'm running at 56k.
The technology that does this is called traffic shaping. The most likely scenario if your schol has over say 10,000 students is that they employ this. What they are doing is assigning your ethernet plug a fixed IP instead of receiving a random IP via DCHP. This fixed IP is given to the traffic shaping (herby TF to save typing) program and told to throttle your total bandwidth.
TF programs can throttle just P2P or AIM traffic for instance, but they have simply applied it to all your ports and told the TF program to assume all packets are throttled.
However, as the program identifies the different network chatter, it shows up that you are attempting to use P2P programs in the log file. A good bet is that they are watching your IP right now, and letting the TF program generate a log file to see if you leavrned a "lesson" or are still trying to download from the P2P networks.
No you will not exceed the cap, but you do dig a deeper hole in their opinion the more you try and use identified P2P programs.


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I'm not quite sure of the distinction you're trying to make here. i have no right in deciding their use, and yet they're "allowing" me to use it for non-academic use, which would mean for academic use, I have the right to them? Again, I'm not sure what you were trying to say, but either way, They do not monitor traffic content. And yes, the amount I pay for what's itemized as tech fees comes nowhere near to the amount the school pays for its internet services, however, when you multiply what I pay by 20,000+ for each of the students who attend here, I think we cover the costs.
Often the argument is made by students that they have "paid" for their access via the tech fee, and should be able to use it as they see fit. I simply moved to remove that argument from being made, and was not in any way assume you where or are making the argument.
This topic has come up before on quite a few occasions here on the TFP.
The basic premise is this. Computers are swapped by a school every 36 months. Think of the cost of replacing every machine in your school right now. Now add the cost of say 15 servers at $10,000 apeice every 4 years. Now add the cost of 3 T3's (1-library, 1-students, 1-faculty). The result is that the yearly cost exceeds student tech fee's considerably every year. Other funding sources must be used to make ends meet.
The school provides the service at a subsidized rate for academic use. they just let other uses slide. Many school are actually moving towards blocking AIM via traffic shaping becuase of the amount of network chatter it creats. AOL's new Terms of Service has cuased several schools to begine considering this anew. If a school was to ban AIM using technology to enforce a ban, they have the right to do so. Another example of the argument of "But my tech fee paid for it" being incorrect.
Again, no assumtion on my part that your where implicitly making these argument.



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Again, I'm not sure what you mean when you say "implicitly stating that you are in the right". I completely acknowledge that my actions were outside the bounds of acceptabe behavior as defined by my IT department. That is cut and dried with no room for argument. I'll bitch and moan about those policies, but the fact that i've broken them is immutable. Bad idea legally, yes, so're a lotta things, bad idea morally? don't get me started.
The only point was he who has all the guns makes the rules. The school owns the lines, they make the rules.


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No doubt they would, you got any recipes you'd like to share?
Depending on your IT department, either chewey chocolate chip cookies or cannibus brownies
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