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pan6467 · 03-15-2005, 10:36 PM

Compromise is giving and recieving. Look NOONE is going to give up values and beliefs and not get anything in return. Thet is human nature.

We can go on and keep polarizing our country and eventually we will have all rights taken away because there is compromise in our rights.

Read the battles Jefferson and Addams had when writing the Constitution and why the "Bill OF Rights" were amendments and not placed in the Constitution. It was because of COMPROMISE.

Someone above stated that my examples were pushing my agenda.... no, they weren't.

They were taking what I see as trying to allow both sides footing.

Abortion IS NO, NOT, NEVER, supposed to be a FEDERAL issue. To have made it one cost our country BILLIONS in lawsuits, legislation, enforcement and so on.

Issues such as abortion should be issues dealt within the individual states and therefore both sides have a common ground. If Ohio votes no.... and Illinois votes yes.... then a woman still has her rights to her choice.

(BTW I am pro-choice provided the father signs off.... I do not believe it is just the woman's decision.... that is my view BUT I am willing to compromise for the better of society.)

To offer no compromise and to say "only my views are the truly educated and right views" is to be arrogant, assinine and egotistical. Much of which both sides claim the other to be.....

It's the same as a Baptist Evangelical saying "if you do not believe in Christ as your saviour and in the way we tell you the Bible says, then you are a sinner and going to burn in Hell and blah blah blah." That's very one sided and doesn't tak into consideration any other religion or even other Christian Denominational views.

I have my opinions and I freely give them out and some suck sewer water and some are very interesting to others. BUT I will never claim that my view is the only view and that there aren't better ways or a halfway point I could meet someone at.

It's like saying "I will work but only at what I want to make." Well, you maybe unemployed for a very very long time if you do not compromise.

Without compromise, without seeing both sides and finding the common good for all, mankind will cease to exist. We need give and take and to interact with each other in respectful and beneficial ways. Otherwise just fucking become a hermit, because anyone on this board that says they do not compromise and will not in any way is lieing to themselves and everyone else, or totally insane and someday will snap at a McDonald's or Luby's.

Every day you interact with any other human being (or animal) for that matter there is compromise. And unless you are a psychopathic mass murderer every compromise is for the good of each person or animal.

To me it's like abortion and the death penalty. How can you oppose one yet support another? One side says abortion is murder yet the death penalty is ok because it is an eye for an eye. The other side says, it is a woman's choice, her body and the embryo is not a human (which allows this side to say it is ok), yet the death penalty is evil and murder.... I see both as murder and I see both as necessary.

The death penalty is indeed needed in some cases, and abortion, to me is a necessity, because women will have one legal or not, if they want one bad enough (which is a compromise, because personally, I believe abortion to be murder, however, I cannot nor will not pass judgement on how others live. Not my situation, not my life, I don't truly know why they make the choice they did and they have to live with it.)

So, let's stop this pious, holier than thou bullshit and act like your views are the only ones out there and let ALL OF US work to find ways to better society as a whole.

I don't believe KMA intended this thread to be one for people to say only their beliefs are the ones that are right or to further any agenda of his. I believe KMA may have thought people would discourse and look at the other side and find common ground with which compromise then becomes possible.

COMPROMISE IS NO, NOT, NEVER A SIGN OF WEAKNESS BUT A TRUE SIGN OF STRENGTH.

03-15-2005, 10:36 PM	#75 (permalink)
pan6467 Lennonite Priest Location: Mansfield, Ohio USA	Compromise is giving and recieving. Look NOONE is going to give up values and beliefs and not get anything in return. Thet is human nature. We can go on and keep polarizing our country and eventually we will have all rights taken away because there is compromise in our rights. Read the battles Jefferson and Addams had when writing the Constitution and why the "Bill OF Rights" were amendments and not placed in the Constitution. It was because of COMPROMISE. Someone above stated that my examples were pushing my agenda.... no, they weren't. They were taking what I see as trying to allow both sides footing. Abortion IS NO, NOT, NEVER, supposed to be a FEDERAL issue. To have made it one cost our country BILLIONS in lawsuits, legislation, enforcement and so on. Issues such as abortion should be issues dealt within the individual states and therefore both sides have a common ground. If Ohio votes no.... and Illinois votes yes.... then a woman still has her rights to her choice. (BTW I am pro-choice provided the father signs off.... I do not believe it is just the woman's decision.... that is my view BUT I am willing to compromise for the better of society.) To offer no compromise and to say "only my views are the truly educated and right views" is to be arrogant, assinine and egotistical. Much of which both sides claim the other to be..... It's the same as a Baptist Evangelical saying "if you do not believe in Christ as your saviour and in the way we tell you the Bible says, then you are a sinner and going to burn in Hell and blah blah blah." That's very one sided and doesn't tak into consideration any other religion or even other Christian Denominational views. I have my opinions and I freely give them out and some suck sewer water and some are very interesting to others. BUT I will never claim that my view is the only view and that there aren't better ways or a halfway point I could meet someone at. It's like saying "I will work but only at what I want to make." Well, you maybe unemployed for a very very long time if you do not compromise. Without compromise, without seeing both sides and finding the common good for all, mankind will cease to exist. We need give and take and to interact with each other in respectful and beneficial ways. Otherwise just fucking become a hermit, because anyone on this board that says they do not compromise and will not in any way is lieing to themselves and everyone else, or totally insane and someday will snap at a McDonald's or Luby's. Every day you interact with any other human being (or animal) for that matter there is compromise. And unless you are a psychopathic mass murderer every compromise is for the good of each person or animal. To me it's like abortion and the death penalty. How can you oppose one yet support another? One side says abortion is murder yet the death penalty is ok because it is an eye for an eye. The other side says, it is a woman's choice, her body and the embryo is not a human (which allows this side to say it is ok), yet the death penalty is evil and murder.... I see both as murder and I see both as necessary. The death penalty is indeed needed in some cases, and abortion, to me is a necessity, because women will have one legal or not, if they want one bad enough (which is a compromise, because personally, I believe abortion to be murder, however, I cannot nor will not pass judgement on how others live. Not my situation, not my life, I don't truly know why they make the choice they did and they have to live with it.) So, let's stop this pious, holier than thou bullshit and act like your views are the only ones out there and let ALL OF US work to find ways to better society as a whole. I don't believe KMA intended this thread to be one for people to say only their beliefs are the ones that are right or to further any agenda of his. I believe KMA may have thought people would discourse and look at the other side and find common ground with which compromise then becomes possible. COMPROMISE IS NO, NOT, NEVER A SIGN OF WEAKNESS BUT A TRUE SIGN OF STRENGTH. __________________ I just love people who use the excuse "I use/do this because I LOVE the feeling/joy/happiness it brings me" and expect you to be ok with that as you watch them destroy their life blindly following. My response is, "I like to put forks in an eletrical socket, just LOVE that feeling, can't ever get enough of it, so will you let me put this copper fork in that electric socket?" Last edited by pan6467; 03-15-2005 at 10:41 PM..