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Originally Posted by KMA-628
What is the point of your post?
It is for the fun and edification of the people who wish to participate; nothing more, nothing less.
It is an attempt at a different form of communication here that doesn't leave us all with bruised foreheads.
It is an attempt at a better understanding of the people we normally dismiss.
It is because there is an obvious interest, regardless of the numbers.
Everyday we see the same people clashing back and forth (myself included), accomplishing nothing other than getting a chance to type their own rhetoric. Up until this thread, there were things I honestly didn't know about some members here. Some of the things I learned have had a profound affect on how I perceive that member.
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Fair enough.
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Other people just reaffirmed my belief that, for some people, the desire to move forward and actually achieve something is over-ruled by the desire to always think they're right.
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Desires are nice to have - but there is no "moving forward". TFP is not going to come to a consensus on an issue and then have that consensus enacted into policy. And you left out the most obvious and realistic desire: the desire to have a discussion to enhance perspective.
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If this was as bogus as you would like it to be, then the number of people responding here and the number of PM's I have gotten would be a fraction of what they are.
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Nonsense. Britney Spears is a popular musician - that doesn't make her a good one.
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And, for the record, nobody is being asked to lose their principles or to completely change their way of thinking, the idea is to see if there is a meeting place in the middle--that is how progress is usually made. You never get 100% of what you want, you just hope to get as much of what you originally wanted as possible.
Example: I would like to see a flat tax replace our system. You are completely opposed to the idea. Can I convince you that my idea is good and should be 100% accepted by? Not in a million years, regardless of the evidence/argument/whatever. Could you convince me to adopt 100% of what you want? Not a chance in hell.
So, where does that leave us?
Nowhere and getting there fast.
However, if we both sat down and tried to negotiate a plan that would possibly be acceptable to both of us, we might actually get somewhere. Are we both going to get everything we want? Nope.
What do you want more? 100% of nothing or 50% of something?
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But we're not setting policy here. I don't expect, want or need anything from you except for you to provide your perspective on issues. The better you provide your perspective, the more likely I am able to understand it, the better the chance that I will adapt my perspective if I come to the conclusion that it makes sense to do so. But this thread is not designed to educate (outside of your new viewpoints on other members) but rather, it is designed to distill issues down into something that all people agree is not what they believe is right.
Nothing is accomplished by me and you sitting down and mutually agreeing to compromise. Nothing at all.
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If you wish to participate, then please do so. If you don't want to participate, then don't. Nobody is forcing you either way.
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I wish to question the purpose and effects of this thread. And so I have.
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I will close with a quote from Barbara Sinclair, professor at University of California, Los Angeles that was just sent to me by someone who thought it appropriate (to which, I agree):
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Even if I were to agree with Barbara Sinclair (to be clear: I don't): TFP is NOT Congress. We are not here to make decisions and have them enacted.