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Old 03-15-2005, 10:37 AM   #39 (permalink)
asaris
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Originally Posted by Phage
"There may be no beliefs worth killing for, but that does not mean there are not people worth killing for."
Ehh? The only reason you would be willing to defend someone is because you believe it is a worthy cause. If you are willing to fight to defend your neighbors it is because of belief. That statement is a contradiction.
Two responses. You may be killing because of a belief, but you are not killing for a belief. That is, the belief features in the chain of reasoning, but it is not the sole or even the most important feature in that chain; your neighbor is. That is to say, there's a difference between killing you because you refuse to be baptized and killing you because you're about to kill someone else.

Second, your response assumes there's a chain of reasoning at all; that is, in the situation where you are about to kill my friend, I think something along the lines of "I should kill to defend my friends; Donald is my friend; therefore I should kill you to defend Donald". But more likely, the 'reasoning' is likely to be much simpler: "Donald is my friend, therefore you must die". We don't kill in these situation because for the sake of the categorical imperative, we do so for our friends. Which might just be a different way of putting the first point.

Perhaps this discussion would help if you could provide an example of where you believe you should use violence to defend your beliefs. I'm fairly certain that would help me out, at least.
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