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Old 03-14-2005, 12:15 PM   #38 (permalink)
alansmithee
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Originally Posted by pan6467
That's exactly what I meant. Aid can be given in many ways.... lower tariffs, such as we give China AND Taiwan is one of them. While they continue to tariff the hell out of our products. Plus, they sacrifice workers rights, financials and safety (not to mention subsidize their industries) so that they can sell their products for less. Taiwan is not as bad as China in doing this but they still do it, as does Japan.

We are in an economic trade war and we are losing because we refuse to tariff imports and we refuse to pass on our standards of operating to others. In trade wars it makes no sense to have a deficit to countries that oppose you politically and in every aspect. I am a firm believer that a company producing something overseas should pay the same wages and have the same workers rights as we do.... otherwise, as we are seeing, we cannot compete because other countries will do whatever it takes to take us down.

I find it pathetic that we allow this to the point where our infrastructure, education and standards of living (without massive debt) have fallen so far.

I firmly believe that if we trade with a country, their standards on workers rights and pay must be equal to ours.



As for Isreal, they are a thorn in our side. If they can truly show that they will give Palastinians rights, protect their borders and not in any way show agression to their neighbors, then I would agree to aid them. Also, Isreal is a faux ally, if we were to stop sending aid (because we cannot afford to anymore) they would be every bit as hostile toward us as any other country in the Middle East.
I agree with everything above. It seems odd how America is supposedly supporting democracy and freedom in all these small countries, when the largest threat is being granted more and more power, some of it seemingly willingly. Everyone talks about China's military buildup, but nobody really seems to want to talk about their economic threat. They have an inherent economic advantage-huge amounts of extremely cheap labor. And they also have little respect for copyright laws of other countries. If they have 40% tarrifs on our goods while paying their workers 10% of what that same person would make for the job in the US or EU, we put tarrifs on their goods of 100, 200, hell 300%. If an American company relocates there for the cheap labor, their products get the same treatment. Make the economic battle more about how efficiently you can produce, and not how much you can screw your workers.

This should be counterbalanced by labor concessions. I think that many of our factory workers are overpaid for what they do. Their pay does not match the quality of their goods. I don't want to make this into a labor discussion, but I have heard numerous first-hand accounts from employees, supervisors, and large scale buyers that GM products made in America are inferior to even those made in Canada. And I doubt that people would accuse Canada of short-changing their employees.
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