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Originally Posted by Strange Famous
how on earth does a thread about violence prompt someone to see it is a strong argument for making sure as many people as possible carry weapons of lethal force?
If you you had less gun control, the black guy walks in and shoots the other guy... and the thread is called "murdered over a pizza" and you drop the "almost" as I see it.
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In states that have reasonable CC laws, crime drops. I can provide a great many studies to verify this. Or you can look them up yourself.
The surprising thing in this case is that Mr. Attacker didn't already have a gun. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the impression you think the only reason this human excrement didn't have a gun is because he didn't want to break the law. I disagree.
Flstf's assertion that cops show up afterward, and you're responsible for defending yourself, is hugely accurate. Established case law clearly specifies that the police are under no obligation to protect you. This is also backed up by the post in which the wife/cop says they usually let people quit fighting before they do anything.
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And I have stepped into a situation, personally, kind of anyway.
About two years ago, I was letting myself into my house, as was the guy who lived opposite, and this other guy was coming up the street, and he was SCREAMING at this girl (who looked completely coked out and wa snot even registering the guy)... both me and my neighbour stopped and stared at the scene... the guy turned didnt hit the girl but he was really yelling at her, grabbing her coat, and she was just out of it... then he span round and yelled at me and the neighbour "what the fuck you looking at???"
The neighbour ran inside his house, and I kind of froze up, and was pretty scared... then the guy started coming towards me... he was a pretty big guy, about my weight, but a big body builder type... I remember just thinking "right then you c***", stepped into my house, and I had my golf clubs inside the door, grabbed the first iron I found, came out again with it swung back, and I just started visualized crashing it right into this gusy knee cap full swing... and he just sort of looked at me, crossed the road, and started walking away (in the opposite direction he came and away from the girl, who still didnt know what was going on I think)
Anyway, I dont know what that proves... I didnt step in when he was yellihg at the girl, and from a macho perspective, it doesnt say much... only a lunatic would attack someone who has a golf club when you have bare hands... but from a personal perspective, I have to say when I felt he was threatening the girl I didnt do shit, I was just frozen and uncertain... only when I felt I was under threat did i start to feel anger and aggression build in me. Its easy to be a by stander
I think, I would like to think, in that pizza shop, I would have stepped in at some point, when the guy was down and he tried to grab him, prolly then... the big guy couldnt fight anyway... but its all about logic vs heart. The logic part is saying "protect yourelf" the heart part is saying "tear this mf apart" and when fear sits on the side of logic... And anyone in a voilent situation has a sense of fear unless they are crazy (Ive known one person in my life who never got scared at all) ... its easy to be a passer by. And whether it sounds unmacho or not, I'll admit that.
I'd like to think I wouldnt stand by, if it was a man having a go at a woman I would more than like to think I wouldnt, but I dont know. I have got beat up before sticking up for a girl... in a bar one time this guy was hitting on a girl I worked with and she was trung to get away and he was sort of trapping her in a corner, so I just kind of came up and threw him over a table and chairs, and one of his friends came up and hit me 3 or 4 times and I maybe landed one half shot back before the bouncers pulled him off... and its amazing how once you are in THAT situation you feel like knocking out about anyone, once you are apart and hurt but not HURT...
I guess people will be brave at different times, anyway.
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The point of this was not clear to me.