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matthew330 · 03-09-2005, 06:59 PM

There were two definitive statements on the NIH website (which was only 3/4's of a page long, if the NIH only has 3/4's of a page to say about something - they haven't got much)

1. "3,000 people a year die from lung cancer caused by second hand smoke." I would LOVE to see the evidence for this. I worked almost exclusively on lung cancer for two years in one of the leading cancer centers in the country, never saw one lung cancer case not only CAUSED by second hand smoke, but even as a contributing factor. I've never spoken to a P.I. on a study, that has dictated a note confirming anything of the sort.

2. Of all these "peer reviewed" studies cited, even the NIH concedes (aside from all of the links, correlations, and associations) that they "don't know what amount, if any, exposure, is safe" . Well damn, this would be this easiest question to answer, no?. As many #'s as were thrown out in some of the studies cited, they were social studies, and as such not controlled. You cannot study the effects of a toxin on an individual, by social regional statistics. We are talking about a very specific toxin. Throw a couple of mice in a cage, feed them second hand smoke - there's your answer.

If after all these studies, the best anyone has come up with is association, indications, and links as KMA pointed out, these studies are faulty. ANY STUDY, whether the results supportive of your hypothosis, or not, the results should be published. A "don't know what amount is safe" sounds real real fishy, by know you ceratainly should have a general idea.

Anyway, my point still stands. None of you are risking your health by walking into a bar with smokers, walking outside your work building through a "gauntlet", etc, etc. By the way, non-smokers reaction to smokers is more like: walk real slow, make eye contact, and start this horrible hacking cough untill your at least 50 feet away.....even though i actually enjoy this reaction.

If you have a pre-disposing medical condition to any of the diseases SHS has been correlated with, you could have, with minimal effort avoided "lethal" contact with it back in the 1940's, much less in 2004.

And forty-rulz, if your gonna call me ignorant, don't play the martyr when i react.

03-09-2005, 06:59 PM	#222 (permalink)
matthew330 Banned	There were two definitive statements on the NIH website (which was only 3/4's of a page long, if the NIH only has 3/4's of a page to say about something - they haven't got much) 1. "3,000 people a year die from lung cancer caused by second hand smoke." I would LOVE to see the evidence for this. I worked almost exclusively on lung cancer for two years in one of the leading cancer centers in the country, never saw one lung cancer case not only CAUSED by second hand smoke, but even as a contributing factor. I've never spoken to a P.I. on a study, that has dictated a note confirming anything of the sort. 2. Of all these "peer reviewed" studies cited, even the NIH concedes (aside from all of the links, correlations, and associations) that they "don't know what amount, if any, exposure, is safe" . Well damn, this would be this easiest question to answer, no?. As many #'s as were thrown out in some of the studies cited, they were social studies, and as such not controlled. You cannot study the effects of a toxin on an individual, by social regional statistics. We are talking about a very specific toxin. Throw a couple of mice in a cage, feed them second hand smoke - there's your answer. If after all these studies, the best anyone has come up with is association, indications, and links as KMA pointed out, these studies are faulty. ANY STUDY, whether the results supportive of your hypothosis, or not, the results should be published. A "don't know what amount is safe" sounds real real fishy, by know you ceratainly should have a general idea. Anyway, my point still stands. None of you are risking your health by walking into a bar with smokers, walking outside your work building through a "gauntlet", etc, etc. By the way, non-smokers reaction to smokers is more like: walk real slow, make eye contact, and start this horrible hacking cough untill your at least 50 feet away.....even though i actually enjoy this reaction. If you have a pre-disposing medical condition to any of the diseases SHS has been correlated with, you could have, with minimal effort avoided "lethal" contact with it back in the 1940's, much less in 2004. And forty-rulz, if your gonna call me ignorant, don't play the martyr when i react.