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Old 03-09-2005, 01:39 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by retsuki03
That is like my saying if you are a black man, you are the very face of good basketball players in our country.
And they are but this does not invalidate that positions of power are often equated with being white and male.

I didn't say it was right or wrong just stating the reality of the situation. If an average person on the street views the white male as oppresive then there might be a reason there. Not saying it's correct or valid but it should be something that should be addressed rather than dismissed of "I don't know what they are talking about." Because nobody considers themselves oppresive or a beneficary of a stacked system.

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I work in the service industry, and can agree with this to a certain extent. Certain "ethnic groups" are proven to tip differently. The same could also be true for teenagers, in a restaurant (regardless of skin pigment) they tend to tip less than adults.
That statement applies more to just the restaurant business. Take being followed around a shoe store because they think you are going to steal something while the unassuming white male in the corner really might be shoving stuff under his shirt.

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Again, LIKELY. I would say this is not LIKELY to be much of an advantage to me, as I don't have enough money to get into a private golf club. I would also wager that being an "ethinic minority" is just as LIKELY to help you as hurt you when trying to get into a "high powered social club" especially one interested in "diversity." (usually meaning diversity in skin color, not ideas).
I don't recall ever saying this applied unlaterally across the board and every white person benefits from it. I seem to also recall saying it might not apply to you(or the reader). But suffice to say if you increased your fiscal level you would still be a white male. Even if I were filthy rich in several places I would not be permitted access based on something I can not change.

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Kinda like if I went to a Tejano Bar, I might seem out of place. Growing up I went to a basketball camp in the inner city. I was a "snowflake amongst the asphalt."
Yet for a person in a majority group this typically is not the norm but the exception. For a person in a minority group if they venture outside of their little tight knit community to any event of size they find themselves in that situation much much more often.

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Little old ladies potentially regard all men as a threat regardless of skin color. Then again, some studies have shown that black men on average commit more violent crime than white men. I am not saying this justifies the hypothetical woman's prejudice. I am not saying the report is accurate or fair. But it is understandable from my prospective, that a woman could be in fear of a threat preceived or real without her being a racist.
Then would it be right that people would be more prone to thinking a white male would be more likely to steal money from the company they work for since most white collar crime is commited by white males? No. This woman would be treating a person differently based upon their race solely and not knowing anything about the person they are treating in that manner and that is the very definition of racism. And it is also very insulting.
Using the logic of "a lot of activity A is commited by people of category B so I will distrust everyone that is in category B" We shouldn't have many male CEOs,soccer moms should be followed around grocery stores,and I should be looking over my shoulder at the white guy behind me because he might be a serial killer.

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Does this include rap music? It is estimated 80% of rap music (I think it is fair to say, usually preformed by black artists) is bought by whites. Does it include BET or movies like Soul Plane television like the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air (i've seen every show!), in Living Color, Moesha (sp?), the Wayans Bros. movies/show? Does the Cosby show count? How about professional sports? Does the NBA or NFL count as tailored for the average white person?
How about most of the CBS,NBC,and ABC line up for the last 10 years,the majority of the radio stations,fashion magazines,most of the movies released every year etc... Yes. That I don't think at all is incorrect that the majority of entertainment is set up and geared towards white tastes and sensibilities. It's the largest market with the most desposible income so obviously this would be the primary target audience the majority of the time. But this is part of the little things that I was speaking of earlier.

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I could argue that it was a natural result or more people being involved rather than white people involved. Regardless, I don't think this is really a strong point to argue that I have an advantage. I mean, look at Jesse Jackson getting money from NASCAR. Considering the NAACP and the congressional black caucus, I could argue that black people often get special considerations that white people don't.
Again I direct you towards the civil rights movement and the growing movement of immigrants rights in this country. The civil rights movement was fairly large(numerous large protests had already occured) but it wasn't until white northerns got associated that it started regularly making the news and becoming an issue for national politics.

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I think that is a perception issue.
It's not a perception issue it's fact.
Jazz and blues did not become viable enough for mass marketing until white youth picked up on it. The same thing for rock and hip hop. Rap had been around pretty heavily ever since the late 70s and early 80s. But it exploded when white youth started listening to the music and then music companies realized that they had a music genre to exploit but only UNTIL that happened. Just as the whole latino "explosion" from a few years back. One would think Ricky Martin,Mark Anthony etc...were brand new names and faces. They weren't they were around for a long time and had very successful careers in the Spanish music scene but white America picked up on it and they went big and you then had music companies signing latin artists left and right to exploit the next big trend.

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As if some black or latino families don't disapprove of interracial marriages too. This one goes both ways.
Did I say it didn't? No. The Asian/White thing was an example. However you seemed to miss my point so I'll restate it.
Even in those families where interracial dating or marriage is not accepted(black and latino included)it's MORE acceptable for a person to bring home a white person than another race in many cases. Prime example of this is my old boss. She is Mexican. She had a white paramour who she broke up with
and starting dating a very nice black guy(successful,decent looking chap). She eventually broke up with him not because she did not like him but because of the pure hell she got dating a black man and her family even stated flatly that if she was going to mess around outside her race she should at least be with someone who could open more doors for her. Which if they bothered to look at her beau past his skin color they would have seen the guy for a very successful and stabile individual. These statements were not made concerning the white gentleman she was dating just a few months earlier. Again not saying this is the rule and in every family and social group it's this way but it's something that is noted and not all that uncommon that even in fairly elitist(racially at least) that white is ok if they have to "stray".

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I don't really understand this one. If someone comes from Ireland, and they try to assimlate into American culture, are they "white washing" too (or are they already white)? I may be missing your point here.
Ok you are in Texas think really hard on who is the largest group of immigrants to this country and how they conduct themselves concerning assimilation of the culture.

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I would say there is a much stronger correlation with people's bank accounts then the pigment in their skin.
As I have already stated there are other things that have nothing to do with finances that cause that. There are simply too many "coincidences" to be explained away as being fiscally linked. The black person dressed nicely and from a high income bracket being made to feel like they are a crime suspect when a white person from an obviously lower income bracket aren't. The latino that is cutting his own lawn is asked if he wants to make an extra buck cutting a lawn because somebody assumed he was the hired help,while the white neighbor next door doesn't get the same question.

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The things I have responded too, are not meant to attack your postition/point of view. I just wanted to offer you my views on the things you posted, since you took time to answer my question, I thought it only fair. Thanks for reading mine.
No problem I didn't take it as an attack.

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Overall, I agree with MLK. "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
While I agree with King's sentiment it likely will never happen as this thread has demonstrated people fail to see the other little subtle inequalities amongst the races and sexes(white/black, latino/asian, black/latino all races and cultures have their little conflicts with one another) that are a very stark reality for many people.
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