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First of all, I will respectfully tell you that you don't know one single fucking accurate thing about Jews. For example, we don't think as one monothilic group. Secondly, there is no deep-seeded anti-Muslim racism inherent in Judaism. Jews and Muslims have had their differences, but before the mid-twentieth century, the two lived alongside each other quite well for millenia. When Spain was ruled by the Moors, they allowed an extraordinary amount of religious freedom to Jews who had been actively persecuted by Christians for centuries. In fact, before the latest intifada began a few years ago, many Arabs lived in Israel, enough that over the next few decades they were expected to outnumber Jews. Does this sound like a country dedicated to removing Arabs from within its borders?
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Oh boy. My post did not put all jewish people into one group. It would be foolish to claim that the people of any religion are best represented by their radical fundamentalists. Also, please realize that a lot of what I said was to point out how Lebell sounded speaking about the Islamic community.
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And as dumb as I think Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg may be, I think anyone who believes that this man speaks for any group of estimable size of Jews threatens his status as moron of the moment. I've never heard of him - his quote is just one crazy guy's statement cherry picked to look as if he spoke for more than just his Yeshiva.
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Rabbi Yizhak’s comment was racist and uncommon in the jewish church. I was pointing to the extremists in the jewish community, just as lebell pointed to the extremists in the muslim community.
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Then, you insinuated that Jews consider killing non-Jews a good thing is repugnant beyond belief. Jews have always sued for peace throughout our troubled history. Whatever mistakes Israeli political and/or military leadership may have made over the last 50 years, it is utterly irresponsible and downright offensive to assert that Jews consider it a good thing to kill non-Jews.
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Don’t worry, I know. Just as in Islam, i’m sure that 99.999999999% of those who follow Judaism are kind and intelligent people who understand that the Torah teaches peace and understanding. I was trying to make the point that we should not consider all of Islam to be accurately represented by the very few radicals, just as Judaism is not represented by the very, very few radicals.
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One of our most sacred stories is that of Passover - you might know it as the one in which Moses leads the Jews out of Egypt. G[o]d parted the Red Sea to allow the Jews to pass, and when the Egyptian army attempted to follow, the Sea closed in upon them, drowning every soldier. The Jews initially began to celebrate, until G[o]d became angry. He told the Jews that every living creature on Earth is one of G[o]d's creatures, and that the death of the Egyptian army was a tragedy.
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We Christians believe in Passover as well.
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Our most tragic moment occurred about 60 years ago, when a country decided that to kill every member of another ethnic group was a good thing.
Do you actually believe that Jews would undertake that same quest?
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Nope. Actually, I think that if a religion were to initiate some evil quest the Jewish religion would be the religion I’d least expect it from, next to Buddhists.
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EDIT: Will, I think I may have mistook your response for your actual beliefs. If you meant your post as a twist on the post you quoted, and what you wrote is not genuinely what you believe, then ignore what I wrote, and I apologize.
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I hope I have explained why I was being a bit sarcastic in my post. To clarify, I wanted to point out that if what was said about the Islamic faith was said about another faith, it would be considered truly ignorant and hate-filled. My post does not reflect my beliefs. I hope I still have any respect I might have had from you before you read my post. Know that I have a deep respect for those who follow Judaism, or any religion. Next to my copies of the NIV, NKJ, and Hebrew Christian Bible I have copies of the Jewish Study Bible (Tanakh Translation, Torah, Nevi'Im, Kethuvim), the Tao-te-ching, the Veda, and the Qur'an (just to give you an idea of where I’m coming from). My father was a pastor and my grandfather was a philosopher. My best friend follows Judaism and I’ve gone with him to temple many times.