EDIT: Will, I think I may have mistook your response for your actual beliefs. If you meant your post as a twist on the post you quoted, and what you wrote is not genuinely what you believe, then ignore what I wrote, and I apologize. If not...
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Originally Posted by willravel
Please take this for an honest respectful response.
The majority of people that rule Israel believe with all their heart that the Muslims are the enemy and if they keep them them from the 3rd holiest city in Islam, they are blessed in the eyes of the Lord.
That isn't from the liberal playbook, that's straight from their mouths, which you can verify by visiting a few radical Zionist websites.
So their interest is serving God and trying to protect the place currently known as Israel from the evil Arab Muslims. This goes back to the very beginnings of not only Islam, but even Christianity. The reality is that there is deeply seeded racism and religious prejudice from the Jewish community towards to Arab Muslim people. Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg, head of the Kever Yossev Yeshiva in Nablus stated, "The blood of the Jewish people is loved by the Lord; it is therefore redder and their life is preferable." The killing by a Jew of a non-Jew, i.e. a Palestinian or other Arab, is considered essentially a good deed, and Jews should therefore have no compunction about it.
I can't spell it out any more clearly.
The Federation of American Scientists has said that Israel has an estimated 100-200 nuclear weapons. Not one of them has yet hit an Arab or Muslim target. Just because a nation is run by deeply religious people who happen to belong to a religion that has fanatics does not mean that they themselves are fanatics. |
I'm sorry if I find myself unable to take your post as "respectful." Perhaps I don't know who you are being respectful towards - it surely isn't Jews, or basic decency.
First of all, I will respectfully tell you that you don't know one single fucking accurate thing about Jews. For example, we don't think as one monothilic group. Secondly, there is no deep-seeded anti-Muslim racism inherent in Judaism. Jews and Muslims have had their differences, but before the mid-twentieth century, the two lived alongside each other quite well for millenia. When Spain was ruled by the Moors, they allowed an extraordinary amount of religious freedom to Jews who had been actively persecuted by Christians for centuries. In fact, before the latest intifada began a few years ago, many Arabs lived in Israel, enough that over the next few decades they were expected to outnumber Jews. Does this sound like a country dedicated to removing Arabs from within its borders?
And as dumb as I think Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg may be, I think anyone who believes that this man speaks for any group of estimable size of Jews threatens his status as moron of the moment. I've never heard of him - his quote is just one crazy guy's statement cherry picked to look as if he spoke for more than just his Yeshiva.
Then, you insinuated that Jews consider killing non-Jews a good thing is repugnant beyond belief. Jews have always sued for peace throughout our troubled history. Whatever mistakes Israeli political and/or military leadership may have made over the last 50 years, it is utterly irresponsible and downright offensive to assert that Jews consider it a good thing to kill non-Jews.
One of our most sacred stories is that of Passover - you might know it as the one in which Moses leads the Jews out of Egypt. G-d parted the Red Sea to allow the Jews to pass, and when the Egyptian army attempted to follow, the Sea closed in upon them, drowning every soldier. The Jews initially began to celebrate, until G-d became angry. He told the Jews that every living creature on Earth is one of G-d's creatures, and that the death of the Egyptian army was a tragedy.
Our most tragic moment occurred about 60 years ago, when a country decided that to kill every member of another ethnic group was a good thing.
Do you actually believe that Jews would undertake that same quest?
Of course, you base your disgusting assertions on a "radical Zionist website" that is anything but. In fact, it is a radical racist website that refers to the treasured collected collection of Jewish theological thought, the Talmud, as Jewish Supremacist Hate Literature and decries the racial desegregation of America. Zionists are those who believed that Jews should return to the Holy Land and establish a state. White motherfuckers who dedicate their websites to "the cutting edge of legitimate, studious conspiracy research" in order to wax nostalgic about the good ol' slavery days are the opposite of Zionists.
I can't believe I'm having to explain to someone on these boards that a white supremacist is not a Zionist, and correct assumptions that Jews think killing anyone at all is a good idea. I feel like I'm this close to having to explain that our noses are not all hooked, that we don't run the world's banks, and that no, I've never tasted the blood of Christian children. I'm actually writing this post in genuine anger - I've never done that before. Unfuckingbelievable.
And KMA, I assure you that Islamic-Jewish relations are a bit more complicated than Jews being unable to forgive Muslims for "taking the holy land" in some mysterious event that didn't happen. Like I explained above, Jews and Muslims haven't always had bad relations. That is a relatively new development. Trust me - we Jews have been shuttling around various countries too long to hold some sort of permanent grudge against any one group. Jews have had a much worse history with Christianity than with Islam.