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Originally Posted by guy44
Where did I say that Congress should pass a law to define what a member of the press is? Anywhere? No. Seriously - please reply and show me exactly where I included any statement about Congress passing a law about anything, let alone about officially defining what a reporter is? I said that GannonGuckert couldn't meet the standards the Congressional Press Corps holds for allowing press members in, and wondered why the White House Press Corps standards are apparantly lower. It is not unreasonable to expect some basic standards; after all, there is limited amount of room in the Press Corps. I never suggested GannonGuckert shouldn't be allowed to act as a reporter, or publish, or gain access to sources or anything else. Simply that he got into the White House Press Corps despite not meeting the standards that the Press Corps itself set, not me. Please stop suggesting that I support something that I clearly do not.
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So you're NOT saying that there should be arbitrary standards set for who is "the press" and who isn't? And you're saying that the "white House Press Corps" controls who has access to presidential press conferences? Can you cite the constitutional authority for this?
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In this case, I quoted someone who's veracity as a journalist and editorialist has never been questioned. The New York Times is far from perfect, and I'm on the front lines of people who believe that Judith Miller, the Times reporter, should be fired. Still, the NYT has the greatest distribution in the country and remains the most respected news source in America. Dowd is an exceptionally well-regarded editorialist. Engaging in ad hominem attacks on the Times while avoiding Dowd's points simply lowers the standards of debate on these boards.
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The New York Times is an incredibly biased rag that reports it's editorial policy as "news". One way you can add "journalistic credibility" to the NYT is to use it for your puppy to shit on. It's THAT bad. Your quoting it as a reliable source is the equivalent to a Freeper quoting CNS or Ann Coulter as a reliable news source.
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Furthermore, and let me clear here: she is an editorialist. I quoted an editorial. So when you ridicule the NYT as "impartial," I suggest that whatever qualms you may have about its news division, you should not summarily dismiss biased editorial pieces. Because they are supposed to express the opinion of the author, not report news in an unbiased manner. As far as I'm concerned, Dowd raised excellent questions and further raises doubts as to GannonGuckert's ability to gain access to the White House Press Corps without help from the White House. If you have particular information regarding her exploits regarding attempts to gain access to the White House Press Corps, or specific reason to believe she may not be telling the truth, please do share them. If not, please try to not dismiss Dowd offhand.
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So you're saying that we should ignore the biased "news articles", and instead
go with the even MORE biased propaganda, oops, I mean "editorials"?
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First of all, please don't call me homophobic. You don't know anything about me, and yet you would dare insult me in this manner? Hundreds of thousands of liberals and several Congressmen and Congresswomen, including several Senators, have demanded an investigation into GannonGuckert's White House Press Corps access. Does that make us all homophobic? I'm sure you were just trying to make a point, but I'd appreciate an apology.
Secondly, calling him a "gay male prostitute" is descriptive. I don't particularly care that the type of prostitute he is is "gay" and "male," but those adjectives are simply descriptive. It does NOT insinuate that it is wrong to be a gay male.
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So where is his conviction for prostitution? Your whole argument is homophobic. You say that it's wrong for what you describe as a "gay male prostitute" to be allowed into the White House, despite the fact that he's never been convicted of prostitution. You don't ewven throw in the weasel-word "alleged". Since he has NOT been convicted of prostitution, the only possible reason for your animosity must be that he's a gay male.
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Thirdly, damn straight I have an anti-prostitute bias. I believe that prostitution is dehumanizing and degrading. You can feel free to hold a differing opinion, but this is mine.
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Please provide a cite for his conviction for prostitution, which is generally defined as selling sex for money. I'd have far more credibility claiming that Senator Robert Byrd is a Klansman. He's admitted as much, although now he claims to have repudiated it. Has whatever his name is admitted to being a prostitute?
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Fourthly, you are right - I should have added that GannonGuckert is allegedly a prostitute. I will still refer to the websites that he ran and operated, posted his picture on, and ran, at the very least, an escort service from. I assume that he was prostituting himself, based on the evidence and language used on his website. However, I will add that he is accused of or allegedly a prostitute, not convicted of such, from now on.
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Ever heard of "slander" or "libel"? You ASSUME he's a prostitute. Some people ASSUME that all Italians are in the Mafia. That doesn't make it true.
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I will now present the case for him being a prostitute, though I leave it for readers to determine for themselves. Take these images, all from GannonGuckert's website, for what you will:
I report. You decide.
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Please quote the language where he says he will engage in sexual acts for money. Selling companionship is not illegal. Selling sex is. You're accusing him of a very specific crime with a very specific definition, and you cannot back it up.
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Please read Maureen Dowd's editorial on the difficulties of attaining a day pass. I conveniently quoted the relevant passages in my original post. Additionally, non-reporter's don't get to attend White House press conference, don't get to ask the Press Secretary or the President questions during them, and sure as hell don't get called by their first name by the President.
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I'd suggest that people with a flagrantly anti-Bush bias are less likely to get a day pass easily than somebody who writes positive articles about Bush. I never saw Ann Coulter with a day pass during the Clinton years, did you?
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I don't know the law well enough to know if this is criminal. It is immoral, subversive, and propogandist if the White House planted a reporter in the White House Press Corps for the specific purpose of asking easy questions.
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I do know the law. It's not criminal. Hell, it's not even CLOSE to criminal. I'm wondering what your opinion of journalists during FDR's and JFK's administrations are. After all, they didn't ask the "hard questions", like "when did you know Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked, and why didn't you at least order an alert?" or "why are you in that wheelchair?" or "how many painkillers are you taking?" or "how many women besides Marilyn Monroe did you nail while in the White House?"
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I don't believe I ever asserted that "gay prostitutes cannot be reporters." In fact, I applaud GannonGuckert if he tried to leave behind his life of prostitution to become a respected reporter. However, he wasn't actually a reporter. His news "reports" were published only on a website with no readership, and were in fact more or less copied verbatim from White House press releases. Actually, people initially started digging around about him when it was discovered that his news pieces literally just copied straight from White House press releases.
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So you're saying that publicizing press releases isn't actually journalism? Please cite the code section that states that. Jerry Springer isn't "respected", neither is "Whorealdo" Rivera. Does that mean that they are not journalists? How large of a circulation does a media outlet have to possess in order to be "valid", and where is the code section that spells this out?
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Furthermore, you never answered my question. There is currently a grand jury investigation into how Judith Miller, Matt Cooper, and Robert Novack, three respected journalists with actual degrees who work for real news outlets like the Times, Time Magazine, and the Washington Post, all recieved this same information regarding Valerie Plame. So even if GannonGuckert was a real journalist, I'd still ask this question. However, the fact that this guy may have been a plant from within the White House and may have gotten this information from someone also within the White House suggests possible foul play on a grand scale.
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A grand jury can investigate absolutely ANYTHING they want. They can, if they so choose (generally at the request of a prosecutor) investigate if peanuts (you know, those little nuts that come in cans or packets distributed on airplanes) are a Schedule 3 Narcotic. That doesn't mean that they are, or that any illegal activity occurred. I understand that you don't know anything about the law, but I thought this kind of thing was covered in a BASIC high-school level government class. You seem to think that media leakage is something that Bush 43 invented. It's not. Read up on the Pentagon Papers if you don't believe me.
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No, running people through metal detectors is not enough. Read the Dowd piece I quoted earlier; this will fill you in on all the things you apparantly missed. Dowd is a famous, respected editorialist for the most well-regarded newspaper in America, and had to wait months for a background check to be run. Why didn't GannonGuckert, who amongst other things flagrantly violated the law by allegedly engaging in prostitution and who had outstanding taxes owed? I'm saying that if a background check was run, it was incompetently done, because no reporter would have gotten in to the White House Press Corps with his background.
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Why not? He'd never been convicted of a crime, had he? You're basically trying to say that people should be judged on innuendo and assumption. That's NOT how our system is supposed to work. Whatshisname had a history of providing positive media coverage to the president. Most Liberal reporters direct quite a bit of venom at Bush, Dowd most CERTAINLY included. Ask yourself this from a Secret Service perspective: Which person do you subject to more scrutiny? The one who vocally and rabidly hates your principal, or the one who really likes your principal? Dowd is a purveyor of "political hackery" on a massive scale. The fact that you're trying to pass her off as some kind of plastic saint of journalism is deliciously telling.
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Clinton lied to the media. Bad Clinton. Bush has lied to the media repeatedly. in addition, he tried to subvert the very idea of a free press by creating pieces in favor of his programs that pretend to be news reports, pays journalists under the table to support his programs, etc. The former is bad, and Clinton got punished; what Bush did is try to make the media little more than the propoganda wing of his government. Additionally, Clinton lying to the media is entirely different that Bush trying to unduly influence the media.
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Actually, if you read the law, you'll find that the President has almost no control on the media. The only thing he controls is ACCESS to his person. You seem to think that reporters have some God-given RIGHT to have access to the President. You're wrong. The President has NO obligation to tell the media ANYTHING. Bush would be within his rights if he only allowed people who wrote for the CSM access to him. In fact, if the President literally sequestered himself in the White house and spoke to nobody but his staff and the Congress one a year at the SOTU, he'd be within his rights.
A free press means one without governmental controls. The government has no obligation to provide information to reporters any further than what is required by FOIA. And I'd suggest that if the media has become so dependent on information handouts as you suggest, that THEY are not acting as a free press. What ever happened to investigative journalism? If you expect people to spoonfeed you, you have no grounds to be upset when they spoonfeed you.
Clinton did EXACTLY the same thing as you accuse Bush of doing in trying to use the media to his advantage. How many times did he "wag the dog" to try and deflect media attention from the whole "Blue Dress" issue? Clinton was never punished for lying to the media or the American people (that's his RIGHT), he was impeached for lying under oath in court (which is a crime). There's a HUGE difference. After THK's infamous "shove it" bit with the reporter, how often was he allowed in her presence again?