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Originally Posted by Kadath
I did know what you meant. I wasn't trying to play gotcha, just correcting your terminology. As long as we are going to discuss scientific studies and your criteria for what would be an acceptable study for you to admit secondhand smoke was bad, I want to be clear about what you want to see. As for the study being bogus, I don't know. I will admit I just loaded a Google search with ["second-hand smoke" "significant cause" "lung heart disease"] and found that paper as a reference in the first five results. I didn't even read beyond the first few pages or bother to look at the studies; I was just throwing up the first thing I found that matched your criteria because I supected you would find fault with whatever I found and so I wasn't going to commit a lot of resources to it.
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No, I didn't think you were playing gotcha--I got caught up in my own verbal problem.
Anyways...
Do you find it odd that the one study that is used most often as a reference is flawed?
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Last week, in North Carolina, the federal judge in the case sided with the industry, saying the EPA made serious mistakes five years ago in evaluating the risk of second-hand smoke. In his ruling, Federal District Judge William Osteen said the "EPA publicly committed to a conclusion before research had begun" and the "EPA disregarded information and made findings on selective information."
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From the above PBS link.
This is what really makes me wonder about how serious the "dangers" are.
If the study that started this whole ball o' wax is off the mark....and then the rest use it as a launching point.....couldn't you at least see why I question this?
Anyway, who would be suicidal enough (other than the tobacco industry) to fund a study to counter the second-hand argument?
As I said before, I hate second-hand smoke, it bugs the piss out of me, so I don't think that my mindset is so set that I couldn't be convinced if there was a "serious" problem. However, if second-hand smoke is less dangerous than living in L.A., then I don't get the whole "ban smoking" thing.