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The principle of that example holds regardless of whether you attribute Gates to be an outlier.
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If Gates is an outlier, he is not representative, and is therefore not a good example.
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If money directly correlated to intelligence, or if such a thing were even coming to pass, we would all have approximately the same wealth
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Who is "we"? The tfp? Because, we would be a very sample, suffering from a restriction of range. The full range of IQ scores is far greater than what is represented on the TFP.
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the degree of seperation between intelligence does not come CLOSE to matching the degree of seperation between wealth.
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Are you talking about statistical variation?
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So you're telling me that at most companies, the most intelligent person is at the top?
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I'm talking about ranges of income across the population of the United States. I'm not talking about within one company, but depending on the company, I would generally expect more intelligent people in higher paid positions.
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I have never witnessed such a thing, not once.
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Whether or not you have witnessed such a thing is irrelevant. First, you are a sample of one. Second, you have not administered IQ tests to the individuals represented in the incidents you have witnessed. Your personal assessments of others intelligence are unlikely to be reliable or valid. (At least to anyone actually trying to study the relationships we have been discussing).
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On the contrary, I have seen bullshit artists excel. And then there is physical attractiveness and its ability to increase promotion.
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First, now were suddenly discussing physical attractiveness and "bullshit" ability? Second, who's to say those bullshit artists and attractive people aren't intelligent? You're just speaking from personal experience.
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And I have not seen any evidence you claim to have cited which demonstrates any of this to be false.
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Everything that I have argued, I have referenced. If you want me to get more specific about references, I can. If you're unwilling to ever consider scientific research on the topics over your personal experience, then we might as well stop discussing this.
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You cited a study, a book, which I have not read, but your description of the study states that it demonstrates that an increase in intelligence frequently leads to an increase in wealth - which is not at all the same as demonstrating that high wealth is in anyway associated with high intelligence.
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In order to demonstrate something like high IQ leads to high wealth, you have to consider the full range of intelligence and income. Without doing so, it would be impossible to demonstrate. (It would be impossible to demonstrate any relationship between variables if you restrict yourself to the end of the spectrum of the variables you are investigating).