shakran

I haven't really seen any personal attacks or flaming in here. . .. Granted I usually only get to TFP in the morning and evening, so there could be crap posted halfway through the day that the mods get to before I see it.

I think we need to redefine discussions turning south. I'm seeing a lot of posts that act like disagreement is bad for the post. I particurlarly like the ones that start with "I ONLY want opinions from people who believe X," which seems about as idiotic a way to start a post as any.

What we have now is Bush supporters who will not listen to any evidence that anything could possibly be wrong with Bush, and we have Bush detractors who will not listen to any evidence that anything could possibly be right with Bush. . . not, of course, that any of the supporters have been able to come up with anything that's true

The WMD issue is a good example. It's been proven 100% beyond a shadow of a doubt that Saddam didn't have WMD's, yet I have yet to see a Bush supporter say "ya know what? My guy lied to everyone about that."

Whatever your opinion of Bush, you must surely agree that he is a polarizing discussion topic. You're either very for him or you're very against him. . there's not a whole lot of middle ground. When you get a subject like that, you will have a lot of argument.

But I'm kinda tired of people acting like argument is a bad thing. I don't think we need to be PC in here, and I don't think we need to mollycoddle the other side. If you have an opinion, state it. If you have facts, cite them. And if you are presented with irrefutable facts from reputable sources that you are wrong, for cripes sake, acknowledge it instead of trying to maintain your point with twisted logic.