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Originally Posted by raveneye
How can you possibly know this with such dogmatic certainty?
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From everything I read, I believe my comment is a fair characterization of the Kyoto Treaty. It is just my opinion, relax.
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In order to come to this conclusion, you would have had to:
--know the magnitude/rate of global warming;
--know the causes of global warming;
--know fully what the ecological impacts of global warming will be in the near and distant future;
--know fully what the direct economic impacts of global warming will be in the near and distant future;
--know fully what the toll in human lives and health of global warming will be in the near and distant future;
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Ok, In order for all these things to be necessary, one would have to prove global warming was related to GHG emissions, namely CO2. Can you find any proof that shows a correlation between CO2 and rising global temperature? Provided you can actually prove global warming exists and is caused by CO2? Then can you even attempt to argue that the Kyoto Treaty is remotely effective at combating global warming.
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The effect of the Kyoto Protocol on the climate would be minuscule, even if it were implemented in full. A model by Tom Wigley, one of the main authors of the reports of the UN Climate Change Panel, shows how an expected temperature increase of 2.1°C in 2100 would be diminished by the treaty to an increase of 1.9°C instead.
source: http://www.economist.com/displayStor...tory_ID=718860
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That doesn't seem very effective to me. Especially if the United States is slated to spend over 500 billion dollars.
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--make a calculus that converts the human toll into current economic marginal value
--make a calculus that converts the human toll into current economic marginal value
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And I have to throw this in there for all the bleeding hearts.
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Yet, the cost of Kyoto, for the United States alone, will be higher than the cost of solving the world's single most pressing health problem: providing universal access to clean drinking water and sanitation. Such measures would avoid 2m deaths every year, and prevent half a billion people from becoming seriously ill.
source: Ibib.
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I'll let you do the calculus. Your the one who wants to convince me, right?
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--know fully what the current economic cost of the Kyoto treaty will be.
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Here is a guess.
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In the absence of this detailed knowledge, I think the appropriate attitude is open-minded scepticism, with respect and willingness to synthesize and evaluate opposing points of view.
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I would be happy to synthesize and evaluate your viewpoint. I do have an open mind. I am not uninformed. Perhaps you might need more "detailed knowledge" but I have read enough.
