Originally Posted by Fire

yeah, but the coppies tend to be way cheaper looking too, - ps, if you but from e-bay, or any other online auction, or e-bay store, you get no warranty, so sayeth the chen-meister- and there is a better chance of knock offs being snuck in- to be safe, buy from a CAS Iberia affiliated dealer- they are the ONLY point of entry dealer in the USA- even Blue ridge, the behemoth wholesaler, gets em from lil ole CAS.....btw, there is currently a helluva wait on a lot of chen stuff, so order early......