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Willravel · 02-25-2005, 09:27 PM

Threadjacking (don't bother looking it up) seems to be a sign of forementioned arrogance.

This discussion is simply about America forcing democracy. While this clearly makes for a very open and wide range of discussion, this does not include all topics of discussion. In order to show respect to the thread starter for giving you something to discuss, we should strive to keep the "spirit" of thge thread in every post. That being said...

America does have vested interest in countries we have interfered with in a governmental manner. When we had to rebuild Iraq, we need some way to justify the war financially (for the investors, i.e. the federal government) and ethically (to everyone who cares that so many people dies in the war). The showing of how we 'liberated' the people is the show for the peopel who care, the oil and strategic military location are the justification for the $200 billion we had to put into this. The democracy we are establishing there is important for borth groups.

On the one hand, we have those who were outraged by the war. They (we) knew that the reasons for going to war were feeble at best, and were almost certianally covering for the true motives. The WMD search being called off and the links to 9/11 spoke in volumes for this group, who is now more sure than ever that this was wrong. So how do you make these people happy? We show that we are truely giving the people of Iraq freedom, the right that the people of this group hold so dearly. The powers that be are hoping that this will act as at least one positive among the negative. The hope that these people can enjoy a freedom that perhaps they have never known is quite relavent.

On the other hand, we have an organization that has a considerable investment in Iraq. As I said before, and we all know, the U.S.A. will probably spend in excess of $200 billion on the war and reconstruction when all is said and done. What return can we expect for this investment? We have the second largest oil source (as I recall, feel free to correct me) almost at our beck and call. We will almost certinally be first in line for the Iraqi oil that we have earned with blood and money. This oil source is also a hair's breath away from the largest oil source on Earth, Iran. As we now have military bases in Afghanistan and building in Iraq, we will be more than ready for the staging of more military might to show the Iranian royal family that we are certinally in control. Watch the news and you'll no doubt see that America and several other countries are worried about the Iranian nuclear weapons problem (in the same fashion that we were once forried about the Iraqi WMD problem, mind you). What would America be like with control over the first and second largest oil sources in the world? All powerful.

"The power that controls the oil spigot, controls the world."

This is why I think America forces democracy. It makes it much easier to control it's colonies. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

02-25-2005, 09:27 PM	#71 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Threadjacking (don't bother looking it up) seems to be a sign of forementioned arrogance. This discussion is simply about America forcing democracy. While this clearly makes for a very open and wide range of discussion, this does not include all topics of discussion. In order to show respect to the thread starter for giving you something to discuss, we should strive to keep the "spirit" of thge thread in every post. That being said... America does have vested interest in countries we have interfered with in a governmental manner. When we had to rebuild Iraq, we need some way to justify the war financially (for the investors, i.e. the federal government) and ethically (to everyone who cares that so many people dies in the war). The showing of how we 'liberated' the people is the show for the peopel who care, the oil and strategic military location are the justification for the $200 billion we had to put into this. The democracy we are establishing there is important for borth groups. On the one hand, we have those who were outraged by the war. They (we) knew that the reasons for going to war were feeble at best, and were almost certianally covering for the true motives. The WMD search being called off and the links to 9/11 spoke in volumes for this group, who is now more sure than ever that this was wrong. So how do you make these people happy? We show that we are truely giving the people of Iraq freedom, the right that the people of this group hold so dearly. The powers that be are hoping that this will act as at least one positive among the negative. The hope that these people can enjoy a freedom that perhaps they have never known is quite relavent. On the other hand, we have an organization that has a considerable investment in Iraq. As I said before, and we all know, the U.S.A. will probably spend in excess of $200 billion on the war and reconstruction when all is said and done. What return can we expect for this investment? We have the second largest oil source (as I recall, feel free to correct me) almost at our beck and call. We will almost certinally be first in line for the Iraqi oil that we have earned with blood and money. This oil source is also a hair's breath away from the largest oil source on Earth, Iran. As we now have military bases in Afghanistan and building in Iraq, we will be more than ready for the staging of more military might to show the Iranian royal family that we are certinally in control. Watch the news and you'll no doubt see that America and several other countries are worried about the Iranian nuclear weapons problem (in the same fashion that we were once forried about the Iraqi WMD problem, mind you). What would America be like with control over the first and second largest oil sources in the world? All powerful. "The power that controls the oil spigot, controls the world." This is why I think America forces democracy. It makes it much easier to control it's colonies. That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.