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Originally Posted by Coppertop
So the end does not equal change? I fail to see how that makes sense. John was alive, now he's dead. His situation has changed. For better or for worse is a value judgement, of course. But it is a change. And yes, a life isn't complete until that life is over. Otherwise it's a work in progress. I would have thought this was obvious.
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In short, you're right; the end does equal change. But more importantly it means the end of the ability to change and/or better one's situation. "John was alive, now he's dead" leads to "John's dead, now he's dead." It's giving up, and, while that's something I
can forgive, it'll be a long and uneasy trip to get there.
And life is necessarily incomplete, nobody can experience everything. But to cut one's life short is to refuse to experience anything else, making life even more incomplete. I don't think a life should be defined by death. Rather, the death should be defined by a person's life, and thus put off for as long as possible.
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Originally Posted by Coppertop
If a person has no say over what happens to their own body, what then could they have any control over?
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Again, you're right; people do ultimately have the final say in what happens. But, in the case of somebody contemplating suicide, I don't know that they
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Originally Posted by Rdr4evr
Not to be a jackass, but what exactly does "attempted suicide" mean? Does it mean you tried killing yourself and failed, or does it mean you have contemplated it but never went through with it physically (I find it hard to believe that so many people have actually physically tried ending their own life)? If the former, what is so difficult about killing oneself that one actually manages to fail? Is it because part of the person still wants to be alive and they don't necessarily go through with suicide at full force knowing they are guaranteed death, but rather use a method of suicide in which the chances of death are not certain? Maybe a cry for attention? I've always found it odd that someone actually fails at killing themselves, and if it's for attention, surely there are alternate ways of receiving it.
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I used to make jokes about that. It's really not that hard for somebody to kill themselves if they are really determined to do it. And while sometimes it is just "a cry for help," that is certainly not always the case. For example, after a short period of nearly fifteen different things happening to me at once, I decided to cut my own neck and get away from it. Laying there, bleeding profusely, I realized I didn't have a right to inflict this on other people, regardless of how I felt. Mine was only an attempted suicide because I drove to the hospital with one hand and a rag covering the wound. (Not an easy thing to do while driving a stick...
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Mostly now I'm embarassed about it... I almost emotionally maimed all my loved ones. And if I had done that and somehow lived,
that would be the hardest thing to live with.