Sorry, I didn't know it was 'pick on the non-militant guy' day today...
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Originally Posted by daswig
Faulty presumption there. If zombies can be killed by gunshots to the head, there's no reason why one guy can't take out hundreds or thousands or even tens of thousands of them if he's in a secure location.
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Well my presumption isn't so much that a such a thing can't happen, it's that few people would be in a secure position to do this. If the people in the secure positions die, other people can't simply stroll across to their hideouts, they'd have to fight through the zombies to access the ammo stores. Mobility is what I mean will be restricted, hence their ammo will be inaccessible.
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Why move? I've got everything here to sustain life for at least a year, even if there's no ability to hunt.
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So one year passes... and then?
My questions aren't so much about a 'Dawn of the Dead' scenario, (1978 version is superior) I'm thinking, what about 30 years down the track, what about 100 years, what about two, three generations later?
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Do zombies have access to fire?
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Well no, but I'm presuming either a zombie accidently knocks over a flaming object, or alternatively, looters, rioters etc could start them.
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So you're saying that your average household would crumble in a few years without maintenance? I don't see it. My house was originally started in the 1880's. It's survived fires, storms, et cetera (we don't generally have big earthquakes here). And most bulk ammo is stored appropriately...in at least water resistant packaging on the case level.
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You maintenance your house I presume? As I said, without someone continually ensuring that the house doesn't fall into disrepair, it will start to get messed up. I don't know what your house is made of, and I'm not saying EVERY house will be destroyed, but over time, things get broken down. I guess I'm thinking over periods much longer than a few years, when I said months turn into years, should have been a bit more clear.
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Personally, I'd head to one of the NG armories that are all over the country
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I don't know what these are, but presumably so would everyone else, and the real restriction in my opinion, again, is going to be mobility, it's going to be hard to move around.
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You forget that there are millions of reloaders ALREADY in the US. Lead can be obtained from car junkyards (batteries, tire weights). Bullet molds last forever. And most reloaders already have plenty of powder on hand, since it's a pain in the ass to find it in small lots.
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Well, it's hard to forget what you don't know. Again, you got to go to the junkyard and get the lead, and then go home, without dying.
Nothing, not even bullet moulds, last for ever.
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Hmmm....spend time reloading ammo and survive, or don't and get eaten by zombies. Hard choice there...
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Well, in the words of Gary Coleman, that's a very glib interpretation. Survival is not simply a matter of manufacturing ammo, food and water and shelter are also essentials.
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That doesn't stop reloaders from doing it now, when they might save $.05 per produced round of ammo over store-bought... And you don't have to mine sulfur out of the ground or synthesize nitrates...it ain't like this stuff is edible, and they have lots of industrial purposes.
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Then my question is: where do you get sulphur from?
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With my mid-line press, (a Dillon 550B) I can make 500-600 finished rounds of ammo in an hour. Of course, I'm pretty good at it, and a "noob" might only be able to produce 100/hour. BTW, my entire setup cost less than $500 dollars new, and I have a bunch of spares for it.
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How does this machine work? Is it powered by electricity? Does it require complex moving parts? Is it easy to move?
I have no friggin idea if that's a bargain.
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yeah, I'd rather use a bow and arrow over one of my beltfeds any day. RIIIIIGHT.
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Um, what's a beltfed?
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It's done in the US right now. BTW, where are all these zombie bodies going to come from? There are something like 300 million people in the US. I suppose that there are another 100 million in the ground, as a SWAG, provided they could get OUT of the ground (think about it....if you're in a coffin that's covered by a one ton hermetically sealed concrete box (which almost all coffins nowadays are), how are they going to get infected, much less get out of the box? So anyway, say 250 million of the live people become zombies, and 100 million more get out of the ground, and the US consumes billions of rounds of ammo a year NOW. Where's the problem?
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Ok, if it's done in the US right now, my question is, can it continue to be done if the events (or similar events) I am describing occurred?
Well, zombies don't necessarily have to be corpses from the grave. What about dead bodies in morgues etc all the rest of it. I mean, what if the zombies were simply an alien manufactured virus that they infected humans and placed all over the planet at strategic positions? I don't know, as I said the causes are unknown, they appear.
In fact, it's just the closest thing to what I'm thinking of.
If someone summed up Napoleon's Russian campaign in terms of the ratio of musket balls to Russians, would it mean a thing? No.
I think there are a number of problems. In any case, don't get me wrong, I'm not hardcore serious about all this, I'm just talking theoretically.
BTW, just as a disclaimer, I'm an Australian, so I'm not exactly very knowledgable about guns and ammo in general, sorry if I seem a bit clueless. America is one crazy place. I have seen one gun in my life, and it was a bolt action 22, pretty unimpressive.