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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Bin Laden is a religious bastard-he uses his religion as an excuse for heinous acts. That is the point I was trying to make.
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I would say he is a bastard terrorist. He uses religion as a tool/excuse/whatever, but that isn't the religions fault. He is a grown ass man, and has personal responsibility for his actions. Your continued linking of religion to the cause is what I see as the problem. It isn't right, and it seems like bigotry to me. Again, not the religion's problem any more than religion is the problem in Ireland. The people that choose to kill/damage other people are the problem.
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It isn't "as I would like". Any condemnation would be a start.
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As I am not in that community, I can't say how they feel with any confidence. I don't read the op ed pages of the Jakarta Post. I apologize for assuming that you aren't intimately familiar with that community. If you are. Otherwise, it seems like the problem you see is that people of that religion arne't communicating in our media apologizing for their extremists.
I'm guessing we aren't apologizing for our extremists in ways they see, either.
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My response about the thread title is directed at your comment about broadly brushing people with certain beliefs. You were claiming that it is wrong to condemn an entire religion based on the actions of a few. I was merely wondering why you weren't as aggravated when christians were being stereotyped and judged by the beliefs (not even actions) of their fringe elements.
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I think asking questions in threads is a good thing. I wouldn't object to a thread called "Do Islam's beliefs pose a threat to the US" either. Questions are good.
I also buy Host's explaination of his intent, and written shorthand. Rest assured, I will object when I see someone saying that Catholicism's beliefs make someone a bastard.
Always good to be reminded to be fair tho, thx.
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And you weren't asking anything, you made a bad assumption, a faulty analogy, and tried to call me a bigot. I assumed by your analogy and the term bigot you were thinking I was saying all arabs were terrorists, I was trying to separate the arab people and islamic terrorists.
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Sorry for my bad writing. Felt like an implied question to me. "how do you mean this". Analogy felt accurate to me, based on my reading of what you wrote. But I'll try to be more clear in the future.
What you seemed to be saying is that Islam makes people bastards. Terrorists are terrorists, to me. Doesn't have anything to do, in primary causes, with arabs OR religion. You seem to think it does. If you think a religion causes terrorism, then I'll try to be more clear when trying to call you a bigot.
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I was also tryign to acknowledge the fact that there are muslim terrorists of all races. My statement about you possibly having a problem was based on my feeling that bigotry is a problem, and your seeming inablility to separate islam and arabs. I was saying maybe because you assume that arabs are instantly muslim, or vice-versa you might have some bigotry.
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Again, not sure how you read that in what I wrote. Seems like self projection, to me. Islam IS separate, but overlapping, to the arab population. And BOTH are separate, but overlapping, to terrorism.
Sorry for the confusion.