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Originally Posted by Yakk
A stranger in your enclosed neighbourhood is worth iquiring about. This is true of a small town or an apartment building.
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I disagree. Strangers are just people you don't know. If you don't have some real evidence that the person is engaged in illegal activities (or about to be engaged in illegal activities) then leave the person alone.
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Originally Posted by Yakk
In this case, the stranger was hiding in a small dark room with one entrance and exit.
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Hiding? There was no allegation that the person was hiding. Now you're making stuf up. A stranger was in a small dark room. That's hardly something to call the cops about.
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You asked a direct question as if it had a point. I answered the question directly. Now you go and claim my answer is irrelivent to the point at hand?
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You didn't answer the question. You claimed that "if someone is tresspassing for extended periods of time, I'd call the police" I asked you if someone might be tresspassing (might meaning YOU DON'T KNOW IF HE'S TRESSPASSING) would you call the police. That's a different question, and it's relevant here because the original poster did not know that the guy was tresspassing, he only though he might be tresspassing.
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Originally Posted by Yakk
You attacked a position I did not hold, and claimed it as a victory. You just did it again, right above me. It's a straw man attack.
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So what is your position? Do you or do you not fear strangers?
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Originally Posted by Yakk
If A AND B imply C, where A is "slightest inkling of danger" and C is "call the cops", it does not mean that "slightest inlking of danger" implies "call the cops".
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What is B here? You're just making stuff up. I think it's clear that when this guy has the slightest inkling of danger he won't sit around saying "Ho-Hum." I think that implies he would get involved. Clearly he gets involved by calling the police (because he did so). His first impulse is irrelevant, only what he did.
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I don't feel all that safe if I'm in a dark alley between two houses with nobody nearby to hear me shout, in an area where I know everyone, and a stranger approaches me, while living in an armed society. This would be an example of a case that satisfies the list of qualifications I made on my statement.
When I qualify statements, I do it for a reason, usually. Don't ignore the qualifications please.
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Ok, but that hypothetical is completely unrelated to the situation at hand. The guy here wasn't in a dark alley and the stranger never approached him. Again you're just making stuff up.
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Originally Posted by Yakk
He was right -- the person was up to mildly nefarious activities (tresspassing).
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THAT HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED, and even if he's right; using his slightest inkling standard would certainly get a lot of people involved with the cops for no reason.
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Originally Posted by Yakk
At the very least, people who spend large amounts of time near your home and family should be interacted with.
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Unless they don't want to be interacted with. Some people just want to be left alone, so don't bother them.
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He was staying on someone else's property (the storage room) without permission. When does it move from 'spend time' to 'live'?
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I don't know what this is referring to. What I was trying to get across is that the person's fear of strangers is wildly inappropriate.
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Originally Posted by Yakk
Then you should study up on regimes that have their justice truely based on punishment.
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Sure thing professor.
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My location is visible on the left. This would also be true in the U.K., as an aside -- I was under the impression that the police there have stopped bothering to prosecute possession of small amounts of MJ.
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I can't speak for California or Washington, but not here in Pennsylvania.
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I disagree. The government has special rights and obligations and restrictions. We lack those powers and rights. We also lack some of it's obligations and restrictions.
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Do you disagree with the slightest inkling standard? If so, what standard do you suggest?
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Individuals are, should and will be more free that governments in many situations.
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Not for very long if everybody starts calling the cops based on the slightest inkling of danger.
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Parents want to protect children. If parents can arrange for communities where their children are adequitly protected, that is ok with me.
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It's not ok with me when they infringe my rights to protect their children. Prostitution may be illegal, so it's not the best example, but adult bookstores and strip clubs are not illegal, and yet NYC and parental groups all over the country do everything in their power to destroy them.
I guess I just value freedom more than lying to children.
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You like living near prostitutes. More power to you, live in an area that welcomes prostitutes.
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My job kind of prohibits me from moving to Nevada, and there really aren't any areas in PA that do so.
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Originally Posted by Yakk
All it takes for shit to accumulate is for neighbours to do nothing. ;-)
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All it takes for cops to shoot people is for neighbours to overreact.