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Originally Posted by Yakk
they simply wanted to find out why he was there. The only safe way to do this turned out to be calling the police.
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Right. Simply wanting to know why people are certain places is sticking one's nose into someone else's business. I'm not suggesting calling the police when you don't feel safe is wrong, I'm suggesting that this guy's sense of fear is misplaced.
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Yes, if someone is tresspassing for extended periods of time, I'd call the police
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Ok, but what about when someone MAY be tresspassing, when you don't know if the guy's tresspassing. That's what this story was about.
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A straw man arguement is when you hold up an arguement that your opponent didn't actually claim, and argue against it instead of against your opponent.
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What argument did I make up? Your argument appears to be that by virtue of being a stranger the man is suspicious and you need to protect yourself. If that's the case, then the only way to protect yourself is to lock yourself in a castle because there are a lot of strangers out there. That's not a straw man.
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I will repeat myself -- he never said he'd call the police on the slightest inkling. I never said that. You are putting words in other people's mouths.
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You're right, he said he wouldn't have just said "Ho hum..." For some crazy reason I thought that meant he would therefore get involved in the situation and call the cops,
just like he did in this case. I was obviously way out of line.
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In the USA with the commonness of guns, I would hesitate in talking to a complete stranger (esp. in an area where I would expect to know most people) without a large number of witnesses and other threat mitigators around.
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Wow, you really don't feel safe do you? I had no idea you lived in an area with such a high crime rate.
Perhaps I wasn't clear earlier, but it wasn't just his calling the police that I disagreed with, it was his decision to get involved at all (that he chose to do so through the police is his right I suppose). Based on the evidence he described, I do not see how a reasonable person could come to the conclusion that the person was engaged in nefarious activities. But then I see people I don't know all the time, and I don't live in a perfectly controlled, temperature-regulated, gated community of white folks.
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Saying 'you cannot live in my building' is, in my opinion, a valid private property right. As such, I support it.
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As do I, but saying: "You may not have a right to spend time in another person's property, but I don't know so I'm going to call the police," I don't support.
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This includes American justice. There is a strain of retribution, a strain of rehabilitation, and other strains of justice, in the American justice system.
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I don't think it's overly broad to say that the purpose is punishment. Sure, there may be a few elements of rehabilitation, but the purpose (again, from my experience and the experiences I see) is punishment.
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if they bothered to charge me
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Where do you live that the criminal justice system works so well? I can't believe you live in America, or if you do, you must be rich. No poor person who's had trouble with the law that I've ever met could make those same claims with a straight face.
Do you pay off the cops so that they don't charge you for possession of a small amount of marijuana or possession of paraphenalia? How do you do it?