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Old 02-16-2005, 09:29 AM   #93 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Rekna
The grand canyoun. How could a river so small create a gash so big? It would be one very deep but narrow gash, not a huge one. There was at one time much more water running through there. Over 300 ancheint unrelated cultures have stories of a massive flood. The oldest known tree is around 4300 years old. Guess how long ago the bible says the flood was, 4500 years ago. The oldest known language is around 6000 years old, guess how long ago the bible says the earth was created, 6800 years ago.

The earths magnetic feild is decreasing. That means as we go backwards in time it was increasing. It would have been way to strong 2 billion years ago for any life to exist, we would have been living in a catscan machine.

The earths rotation is slowing down, ever heard of the leap second? If we go backwards 2 billion years ago we would have been spinning so fast that nothing would have stayed on the earth. Everything would have just flown off.

Population studies done on the world population is consistent with the flood model. That is the population today could have easily been created from 8 people 4500 years ago.
In the speed of posting I missed this. I want to address these false beliefs of yours Rekna. I cut out the stuff that was already adequately addressed.

Grand Canyon Why is there such a big hole for such a small river?
This is a cross section of the Grand Canyon. Notice the MANY different rock groups that make up the Canyon. Some are very easily weatherable, like the limestones, others are much less weatherable, those are the shales and the schist and granite.
A very long time ago the Colorado River was at the Kaibab Limestone level (the top) It started weathering down. Initially it cut a narrow channel, but as it went down farther the rock walls started to break up. Why? Several reasons. One is the mechanical weathering process of freeze-thaw. At night the water in these rock groups would freeze and push on their joints in the rock group. With enough of this freeze-thaw the rock face will crumble and wash into the river. The other major way is unloading. Try this. Go stand in a doorway with your arms to your side. Now raise your arms until they hit both sides of the doorway. Put on pressure for about two minutes. Now walk out of the doorway. Do you feel your arms want to lift up? That is the same process. When rock is removed through the channel the rest of the rock doesn't have the resistance against it that it used to have. Now the rock wants to push itself into the stream channel. This is caused by pressure from behind it.
Now, lookng at the cross section you see some faces are vertical and some are slanted. The vertical ones are much more easily weathered. It just all gets weathered away. The slanted ones are much more durable and take more time to wash out so they will stick out more than softer layers above them.
Where is all the stuff that got washed into that tiny stream? Over hundreds of thousands of years anything that has constant water rushing over it will get weathered down and washed down the stream. That's just what streams do.

Flood stories through history:
MOST ancient cultures have flood stories. You are right. But you have to remember that ancient people had to live near large rivers to survive. All cultures were born at the side of a major river. These people didn't have the Weather Channel to tell them when a flood was coming. And most people didn't have the luxury to learn to swim. One culture that has no flood disaster story are the ancient Egyptians. Why? Their flood was a regularly scheduled event and they needed it for productive soil recharge.

Oldest things:
Actually the oldest living tree is a nearly 5000 year old Bristle Cone Pine in eastern Nevada.
But the oldest living thing is not the Bristle Cone Pine. It is the Creosote bush. You can find these in the Mojave Desert. The oldest known Creosote is nearly 12,000 years old.

Earths magnetic field
The field reverses itself periodically. North becomes South etc. In the last 15 million years the planet has about every 250,000 years. We are in the middle of a reversal right now. During a reversal the electromagnetic field loses about ten percent of it's full polarity value. Then bounces back up.

For a lot of your arguments you discuss rates as we see them now and don't seem to understand that nothing is static on this planet. Just because we are decreasing now doesn't mean we have always been decreasing. It goes back and forth.
Just becuase the earth's rotation is slowing down at a certain rate right now doesn't mean it has always been that way. Spin a top and watch it slow down. Initially the slowdown is very gradual but towards the end the slowdown gets very rapid. That is our situation.


You display a startling lack of knowledge of the natural sciences. You REALLY should consider taking some undergraduate classes in these fields to understand what is going on around you.
I am also very eager to hear your arguments from this powerpoint presentation. If they are anything like what I just tore apart, it should be a fun time.
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