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Old 02-16-2005, 09:00 AM   #17 (permalink)
Yakk
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Location: Ontario, Canada
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Originally Posted by Master_Shake
Have you ever done something that somebody might have had a slight inkling about you doing something wrong? Ever come home real late at night? Ever go someplace where people don't recognize you? How would you feel if the cops bust in on you with dogs and flashlights?
Sure. I've even been nibbled on by a security dog. Everyone was polite, and nothing came of it. I got a good story!

It wasn't police in my case, it was a private security firm.

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Originally Posted by Master_Shake
In that just as you didn't recognize that person and you called the cops, how would you feel if people called the cops everytime you went somewhere and people didn't recognize you? I guess I'm assuming that you wouldn't have called the cops if you had recognized the guy as the rightful owner of the storage space, but perhaps you'd have called no matter what.
They checked -- there was noone apparently renting the apartment associated with the lockup, and it didn't look like the landlord.

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Originally Posted by Master_Shake
OK, so it's allright if it happens in the poor neighborhood in town, just so long as it doesn't happen near you?
I never said it was fine not happening near me. I just said I preferred it not happening near me. But, I'm not going to run over to the other end of town and look for thieves, if that is what you mean -- too much bother.

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Originally Posted by Master_Shake
And if you would have also called the police based on this low level of suspicion I must assume you live in a fortified castle with a moat and 24 hour security service. That just seems a little excessive to me.
First of all, have you ever looked up the term "straw man"? I think you'd be much better at speaking rationally if you knew of it.

Second, what low level of suspicion are you referring to? You mean someone that apparently isn't renting an apartment going into a storage shed, closing the door behind themselves, and staying inside for an extended period of time?

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Originally Posted by Master_Shake
I guess you believe that being hassled by the cops is no big deal and that the cops are really there to protect you. If so, well, that's just where you and I disagree.
I am aware that you believe the entire societial complex is designed to fuck you.

Look at me as us of those on the other side then. I'm part of The Man, and boy is it good!

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Originally Posted by Master_Shake
Of course, you absolutely have a right to protect yourself from people hurting you or your loved ones. But nothing in his story should have caused a reasonable person to fear for his life. Reading his story in the light most favourable to his actions AT WORST there was a slight risk to the property of the management company, and only very weak evidence to support even that assumption.
Someone enters and stays inside a storage shed from an apparently unoccupied room. That is worthy of suspicion.

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I see, you must not be from America. Here the goal of our criminal justice system is punishment, not rehabilitation.
Once again, you are being absolute in an area where things aren't black and white.

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Originally Posted by Master_Shake
There's no need to forgive you for thinking someone's up to no good. But think that someone might be up to no good and getting involved in the situation are two totally different things. I'm fairly confident that my neighbors smoke weed, but I don't call the cops to rat them out because I feel some need to protect the community from weed-smokers.
I don't do it because I don't see there being anything really wrong with smoking weed.

In your case, you see nothing wrong with stealing property rights from "corperations" (otherwise known as "other people").
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