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Old 02-14-2005, 11:21 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Anyone who claims they know when the end times will come are not Christian. Specifically every Christian belief from Baptist to Catholic believs that Go the Father is the only one know knows when the end times will come. Speculation about the end times is about as ignorant as it comes.

Here we have a basic problem with a charesmatic radical gaining stock because he is a creative writer. He becomes politically powerful in the evangelical churches and people listen to the crap he spews. I've been telling people that religion isn't politics for years. This is a good reason for my claim.

Call me any name in the book, but I actually firmly believe a lot of what was discussed at this conference. The author of this article is just as venomous in his hatred for and bias against Christianity, as he claims that the lectures were against everybody else.

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The Bible is very clear on many of these issues:

Following the "Rapture" — the supposed moment when Jesus Christ will suddenly appear and all the saved will be "caught up to meet him in the air" — leaving the rest of Earth's billions to plague, pestilence, famine and war, there will be seven years of the "Tribulation."

It's based on Revelation, and other NT books. The imminent return of Jesus Christ will of course be met with skepticism, (veiled fear) by those who hold no stock in it.
If it happens in the next 40 years, I suppose. Much of what they say, like the great war in the middle east is far from “written in the NT books”.

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How can we be sure that this is litteral or figurative? Are the seven lanterns actually lanterns?

There is no way to say for sure that everyone will eb specifically tortured until Jesus returns one last time. What if they are simply left and the world goes on in it’s normal fashion? That’s possible.
This all comes down to how you want to use God’s word to control people. What this man is saying is “if you don’t become Christian in the next 40 years”, where did 40 years come from anyway?, “you will be tortured.” And then he accouses
the Muslims of trying to impose religion. Hahaha. Why is it hyp[ocracy comes up in religion so often?

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How the Christian "God of love" treats those "left behind" makes for lurid reading indeed.

God is also a just, fair God. "Whom the Lord loveth, he chasteneth." The whole "God is love" thing is only one side. It's the side that mainline denominational churches have been preaching for years in an attempt to make religion 'user friendly' again. Those churches have just chosen to omit the parts about God's judgment against sinners because it would not draw the crowds like a good 'feel good' message would.
So what they are preaching is wrong? Hmm. That’s interesting. Good job addressing the quote, though.

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To sum up the essence of the three speaker's messages all that long Saturday, I have never heard so much venom and dangerous ignorance spouted before an utterly unquestioning, otherwise normal-looking crowd in my life.

Who's labelling who? Who's biased?

Manx did a good job on this one...moving on...

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There were stunning statements about humans having been only 6,000 years on Earth and other denials of contemporary geology and biology. And we learned that the Rapture, which could happen any second now, but certainly within the next 40 years, will instantly sweep all the "saved" Americans (perhaps one-half the population) to heaven, leaving the United States as "a Third World country" with the European Union becoming the revived Roman Empire.

I firmly believe this myself, as the Bible, specifically the NT (which has been around for 2000 years) has been telling us about this all along.
When we read Revelation, we are reading something really unique. John was taken by God to see the end times. John , a man with the limited understanding of his time, was brough into whatever age Jessus returns in. The world now is a much different place than it was back then. The “Beast coming out of the Sea” could be an invading force from space a thousand years from now. The 144,000 could simply represent the 144,000 colonized planets by humans, long after war has ended and Islam and Christianity coexist peacefully.


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Applause greeted these words: "Allah and Jehovah are not the same God ... Islam is a Satanic religion ...We will never be able to understand their (Muslim) mentality ... They're going to attack Israel for certain. ..."

This one is a little harder for the "tolerant" generation. But I firmly do believe that God and Allah are NOT the same God. I also believe that Israel will be involved in a major war against Muslim countries in the not too distant future. Politically it makes some sense, you have to admit.
What if Allah and God are the same God? No where in the bible does it specifically say that Islam is wrong, in actuallity, Islam and Christianity are based in the same religion. What if they are the same religion, simply divided the way all churches divide? The fact that these people dismiss this possibility is frightening. The fact that they put this fourth as fact and try go feed hatred of another religion is inexcusable.

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The idea of peace in the Middle East was denounced — specially any accord granting any land whatever to the Palestinians.

The Bible (again, very old, yet verifiably accurate document) says that in the end times governments all over the world will preach one, unified message - peace. Everybody will be looking for peace. Isn't that exactly what everyone is looking for, even now??? Doesn't it make sense? Middle East, Africa, ???
Is America preaching peace? Is England? Is Russia? Is the Middle East? Is Africa? Who are you talking about that are “preaching peace”? Name the last time when there were no wars going on anywhere in the world.

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A terrible, final war in the region is inevitable.

How can you not agree with this statement?
I gladly argue with this. As long as some other nations can stop interfering, I thinkl that peace is more than possible in the Middle East. As soon as the oil runs dry and people can learn to share one of the most important religious places in the world, we will see unparalleled peace.
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