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Old 02-12-2005, 10:54 PM   #104 (permalink)
Rekna
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Originally Posted by Lebell
Oh, and faith alone is not enough.

For without works, faith is dead.
Wow have you read the new testament? By grace you are saved not works. How many times is this repeated in the bible? The man who died on the cross next to Jesus had done no works, he was a sinner, a criminal. Yet Jesus said to him surely I will see you in paradise today.

Works is not what it is about. It is about grace. In the verse you are quoting Jesus is talking against the hypocritical Pharisaical legalism. Jesus fulfilled the law by giving it meaning. If Jesus did not free us from the law then he himself broke it by healing on Sundays, preaching to gentiles, not following dietary requirements, ect.

Works do not make us better in heaven. As a christian you are forbidden to even compare yourselfs to others in such a way because if you do so you have already had your reward. God wants us to be humble in what we do. We do works not because we have to but because we want to. It is our love for God that has us do works.

Ephesians 2:8 "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith -- and this not from yourselfs, it is the gift of God -- not by works, which God prepared in advance for us to do"

Romans 4:1-5 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about--but not before God. What does the scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."
Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. However, to the ma who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness.

Psalm 32:1-2 Blessed is he whose transgressions are forgiven, whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man whose sin the Lord does not count against him and in whose spirit is no deceit.

Galations 3:10-14 All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of Law." Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because "The righteous will live by faith." The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who des these things will live by them." Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becomeing a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on the tree." He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to hAbraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Eph 2:5 It is by grace you have been saved.

I could probaby find a verse about Gods grace saving us not works in every chapter in the new testament if I had time or desire to do it.

Jesus said, I have come not for the righteous but for the sinners.

Look at the parabel of the talents. It is not the amount of work you do that get's you your reward. Or the parabel of the workers. It isn't how long you work, God made us a promise.

Jesus said "Believe and be baptised" in response to what must I do to be saved. He didn't say "Believe and go do all of these great works in my name"
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