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Originally Posted by alansmithee
You are misusing the term moral. Every definiton I have seen of moral includes some form of "goodness" or "correct" or some other term. And all of those are subjective. Just because some people agree that something is good doesn't make it inherently good, you cannot prove that there is some absolute good. And without that you cannot have moral be anything but subjective.
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That argument works both ways. How can being gay be morally wrong if it isn't univerally morally wrong? Becuase there is no such thing as "univerally wrong". If there is not a universal moral code to apply to, then differing moralities will butt heads. This is one such butt. The only way to coexist with different sets of moralities is if all groups agree not to try and force their specific moral code on another group. I was trying to illustrate that to you by showing you my moral code. If your moral code tells you that being gay is wrong or homosexuals cannot get married, then you should not be gay, or if you're gay, then don't get married. How can you try to dictate someone elses morals?
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
Also, you make quite a few broad assumptions which aren't entirely based in fact:
1. I "persecute" those who live in sin. Really, I personally don't care what people do in their own homes, I'm not peronally trying to ban homosexuality.
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You're trying to keep them from being accepted in a legal union. We've explained before how this is a facet of anti-homosexual morality. Please explain how you are alright with gey people being gay in society, but you are not okay with them getting married.
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
2. If I believe that something is bad for society, it DOES hurt me if it goes on. Crimes not commited against me do not hurt me, but that doesn't make them right, nor does it mean I should support them. Again, I personally don't care about homosexuality, nor do I think it can be legally banned. However, that is not the issue, the issue is marriage not allowing the act.
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What makes something "bad" for society? You are personally hurt by two people you've never met being able to get married?
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Originally Posted by alansmithee
3. That people are born homosexual has not been conclusively proven one way or the other. There are many people who lived a heterosexual lifestyle for many years before becoming homosexual. We could probably play duelling experts here, but it will boil down to there being no definitive scientific proof one way or the other. And as for people being punished for how they are born, it happens all the time. Just look at many inner cities, these people are punished for being born to poor parents. Many people are imprisoned for actions they commit due to mental illness (often that they are born with).
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http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthr...highlight=gene
The proof is possiblty on the way. Because there is no conclusive proof either way, shouldn't they be given the benifit of the doubt?
I know people are punished for the way they are born, but that does not make it right. I'm surprised you would suggest that. We are talking about right and wrong here. People are being raped all over the world too, would you try to stop a rape if you saw one? Or would you say, "Well, it's going on all over the world."?