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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
you're evading the point. as a military operation: many said it was going to be a disaster. given what we know about what has happened since and the grave nature of our business... can you really say that?
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It was a disaster. It was wrong going in. The plan was wrong, and I expected almost exactly what is happening. The domination buisness has a very bad nature.
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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
it's like you didn't even read the first post. our losses have been less than i thought there would be and MUCH MUCH less than the predictions of many others. i'm saying that given the difficulty of the mission our military was tasked with, the casualties are acceptable. again, how many lives did you expect it would cost? less than the current numbers? if so, do you think that such expectations are justifiably realistic?
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It was a bad plan. There were better ways to go about this.
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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
a weak jab thrown knowingly without context.
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In the Middle East, "stable" is relative. It's not a jab. The Middle East is not stable. Your "if you thought the war would unstabilize the region and spiral into an uncontrollable regional conflict... you were wrong. rejoice." didn't take into account the rebels, or the Syrians backing them.
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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
i don't think it's "ok" to lose a single soldier (by the way, not every military serviceman is an officer). again, given the nature of their mission and their enemy... what did you expect? how can you judge it a failure if you given no criteria for what it would take to be measured a success (and provide accompanying rationale for why that is a realistic goal).
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Well, we've lost 1447 servicepeople then. There was a better way to do this going in. We've screwed up so badly in the past there is no American example of war, victory, and reconstruction to compare to. That doesn't make this any better.
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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
right, there COULD be a civil war if it weren't for the american soldiers. so... our objective to prevent a civil war has been SUCCESSFUL. of course there is a rebellion... it would only take a few hundred syrian imports to qualify as a "rebellion" on your nearest TV network. did you ever think at any point in time that there wouldn't be such a movement? i know i knew it would happen.
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We caused the civil war we're trying to prevent. This particular rebelion has more than "a few hundred syrian imports", so you're mentioning that was
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a weak jab thrown knowingly without context.
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My point is that it is okay to be very much dissapointed by the current situation. It's okay that people see the Iraqi war as being less than a success.