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Cervantes · 02-06-2005, 08:51 AM

Bible quotations come from King James version.
Translators comments in brackets [comment]
The text I'm translating from is obviously a transcript of his exact
words during the sermon so I have tried to correct and change as little
as possible in this translation.

Is homosexuality an inherent urge or is it evil powers playing games with
humans?
I am well aware of the subject being charged and controversial. And even
that it has become that in christian circles.
I have not sought supprot in Gods words for my thoughts. But Gods words
has given me the thoughts I am about to present here today. I will bring forth
the subject of homosexuality but also the the realtionship with christian
homosexuals.
Is it a sign of our time and can somone be saved from it?

God has in genesis created humans to be man and woman. We start in Genesis 1:27-28
"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male
and female created he them."
"And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and
replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea,
and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the
earth."
Here Gods words says clearly and legible that you were created to be Father
and Mother.
To man and woman. De were supposed to be parents. The Lord says this clearly
and legible.

And the script percives any form of sexuall contact outside the frames of
marriage as fornication. And that signify the word fornication. [Don't ask
I have no idea what he means with the last sentence.]
It is also clearly pronounced in [this is a phrase hard to translate,
"instiftelseorden till äktenskapet" as far as I can tell it means >the words
that institute marriage> but I'm not sure. He uses a religious technical term
that is hard to translate.] in Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his
father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one
flesh."
Here only husband and wife is spoken of... It is not written in any other way
and/or [It is not clear if he means "and" or "or"] you may never interpret it
so that you may chose any partner you may wish.

The urge God put in man to experience the deepest form of companionship and
to presereve marriage in true faithfullness. It has become the devils strongest
weapon in his fight against God and marriage. Namely he uses it against God.
What god has created so that man may experience companionship and faithfullness
and happiness and all that it brings. That is what the devil is using against
God and right in the face of God. To twist and bend/corrupt [Hard translated
term that means both].

In the animal kingdom there is males and females, among the plantes there are
alsom male and female plants, neither in the animal nor in the plant realm
exists any abnormalities. For each speices keeps to it's own kind. That is the
way it is. Untill man in later years has barged in on this area with artifical
impregnations [Term "provrörsbefruktningar" means lit. test tube fertilizations
meaning inseminations of already fertilized eggs] and through cloning. Untill
then it has been the way God said we should live.

Through legalizing partnership between male & male... between female & female.
Will come disasters plain and simply. Without it's likeness. We see the
consequences of this already here. We see it through AIDS that is spreading.
All AIDS-infected are not homosexual, but it has come to be because of this
at one point in time. Ofcourse innocents can be infecte of this terrible
disease without it meaning that it has anything to do with homosexuality.
But still, it will create a huge catastrophe and that already the goverments
and social goverments has found that this they don't master. [This is a hard
sentece to translate since it makes very little sense gramatically in Swedish.
It seems that this is a written transcript of his exact words and his grip
of Swedish grammar is rather scetchy at best. The best I could do was an
interpretation of what he said, if anyone object please open your mouth
and tell me.]. We are experiencing the difficulties with it. But that's not
all, the television told us that the number of STD-infected males and females
are rising.
It is spreading more and more because of people not living the way God intended
man to live toghether. And is because people is derailing into clearly
unbiblical and clearly inhuman relations.
this is no private matter nor is it a right to live in another sexual manner
than what the bible says.
Hebrew 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but
whoremongers and adulterers God will judge."

No matter how the society views this God will judge both the society and
those who commit the fornication.
Remember this. Both society or [I don't know why he used or instead of and
here, his grammar suck.] the city or the place will God judge above those
who commits this fornication.

If we go back in history to Genesis 19:1-5.
v. 4 "And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of
Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his
face toward the ground;"
"And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's
house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early,
and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all
night."
"And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered
into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and
they did eat."
"But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed
the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:"
"And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in
to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them."
Here we read about homosexual males for the first time. All of sodoms men
spoke openly and showed openly their deviant sexual alignment. "Both old and
young" we read here. Everyone. And this is whay they say: "that we may know them."
And that means a sexual contact. The same expression that the bible use when
a man goes to a woman. It is the same expression here as say if these men
had lust for eachother. [Yet another grammatically messed up sentence.].

Isaiah puts it like this Isaiah 3:9 "The shew of their countenance doth witness
against them;" that they didn't do in Sodom. Obviously they show themselves
in front of the house and calls for Lot. The righteous, they don't spare him
in any way and says "bring them out unto us, that we may know them.".
We lust for it, frankly and simply. In the middle of the street these men are
standing. They don't conceal their sin.
Completly in the open and unembarrased they spoke of their sexual needs and
that says something about the state in Sodom.

God says to Abraham in Genesis 18:20 "And the LORD said, Because the cry of
Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;". That
says the Lord. Very grievous! They cry from Sodom and Gomorrah it is huge
and griveous. That is the way God views this deviant sexual relation. It is
very griveous says God. It is very griveous that when man gives enraptures
himself this way.

etc.

------------------------------------

This is the beginning of the sermon, I will see if I find time and energy
to translate any further (and if you find it necessarry). But the sermon
doesn't get any better than this.
He begins with stating that it is not Gods words that gave him these
ideas but that the words of God inspired him to think these thoughts
and then he continiues to base most of his arguments on the "words of
God" (the bible).
Then he goes on to blaming AIDS on homosexuals etc.

There are so many misconceptions and misunderstandings in his sermon that
I seroiusly doubt he could have made it through hightschool. He must have
been stuck in a cell with only the bible and a TV a company for years.

02-06-2005, 08:51 AM	#55 (permalink)
Cervantes Psycho Location: Above you	Bible quotations come from King James version. Translators comments in brackets [comment] The text I'm translating from is obviously a transcript of his exact words during the sermon so I have tried to correct and change as little as possible in this translation. Is homosexuality an inherent urge or is it evil powers playing games with humans? I am well aware of the subject being charged and controversial. And even that it has become that in christian circles. I have not sought supprot in Gods words for my thoughts. But Gods words has given me the thoughts I am about to present here today. I will bring forth the subject of homosexuality but also the the realtionship with christian homosexuals. Is it a sign of our time and can somone be saved from it? God has in genesis created humans to be man and woman. We start in Genesis 1:27-28 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth." Here Gods words says clearly and legible that you were created to be Father and Mother. To man and woman. De were supposed to be parents. The Lord says this clearly and legible. And the script percives any form of sexuall contact outside the frames of marriage as fornication. And that signify the word fornication. [Don't ask I have no idea what he means with the last sentence.] It is also clearly pronounced in [this is a phrase hard to translate, "instiftelseorden till äktenskapet" as far as I can tell it means >the words that institute marriage> but I'm not sure. He uses a religious technical term that is hard to translate.] in Genesis 2:24 "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Here only husband and wife is spoken of... It is not written in any other way and/or [It is not clear if he means "and" or "or"] you may never interpret it so that you may chose any partner you may wish. The urge God put in man to experience the deepest form of companionship and to presereve marriage in true faithfullness. It has become the devils strongest weapon in his fight against God and marriage. Namely he uses it against God. What god has created so that man may experience companionship and faithfullness and happiness and all that it brings. That is what the devil is using against God and right in the face of God. To twist and bend/corrupt [Hard translated term that means both]. In the animal kingdom there is males and females, among the plantes there are alsom male and female plants, neither in the animal nor in the plant realm exists any abnormalities. For each speices keeps to it's own kind. That is the way it is. Untill man in later years has barged in on this area with artifical impregnations [Term "provrörsbefruktningar" means lit. test tube fertilizations meaning inseminations of already fertilized eggs] and through cloning. Untill then it has been the way God said we should live. Through legalizing partnership between male & male... between female & female. Will come disasters plain and simply. Without it's likeness. We see the consequences of this already here. We see it through AIDS that is spreading. All AIDS-infected are not homosexual, but it has come to be because of this at one point in time. Ofcourse innocents can be infecte of this terrible disease without it meaning that it has anything to do with homosexuality. But still, it will create a huge catastrophe and that already the goverments and social goverments has found that this they don't master. [This is a hard sentece to translate since it makes very little sense gramatically in Swedish. It seems that this is a written transcript of his exact words and his grip of Swedish grammar is rather scetchy at best. The best I could do was an interpretation of what he said, if anyone object please open your mouth and tell me.]. We are experiencing the difficulties with it. But that's not all, the television told us that the number of STD-infected males and females are rising. It is spreading more and more because of people not living the way God intended man to live toghether. And is because people is derailing into clearly unbiblical and clearly inhuman relations. this is no private matter nor is it a right to live in another sexual manner than what the bible says. Hebrew 13:4 "Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." No matter how the society views this God will judge both the society and those who commit the fornication. Remember this. Both society or [I don't know why he used or instead of and here, his grammar suck.] the city or the place will God judge above those who commits this fornication. If we go back in history to Genesis 19:1-5. v. 4 "And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;" "And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night." "And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat." "But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:" "And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them." Here we read about homosexual males for the first time. All of sodoms men spoke openly and showed openly their deviant sexual alignment. "Both old and young" we read here. Everyone. And this is whay they say: "that we may know them." And that means a sexual contact. The same expression that the bible use when a man goes to a woman. It is the same expression here as say if these men had lust for eachother. [Yet another grammatically messed up sentence.]. Isaiah puts it like this Isaiah 3:9 "The shew of their countenance doth witness against them;" that they didn't do in Sodom. Obviously they show themselves in front of the house and calls for Lot. The righteous, they don't spare him in any way and says "bring them out unto us, that we may know them.". We lust for it, frankly and simply. In the middle of the street these men are standing. They don't conceal their sin. Completly in the open and unembarrased they spoke of their sexual needs and that says something about the state in Sodom. God says to Abraham in Genesis 18:20 "And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;". That says the Lord. Very grievous! They cry from Sodom and Gomorrah it is huge and griveous. That is the way God views this deviant sexual relation. It is very griveous says God. It is very griveous that when man gives enraptures himself this way. etc. ------------------------------------ This is the beginning of the sermon, I will see if I find time and energy to translate any further (and if you find it necessarry). But the sermon doesn't get any better than this. He begins with stating that it is not Gods words that gave him these ideas but that the words of God inspired him to think these thoughts and then he continiues to base most of his arguments on the "words of God" (the bible). Then he goes on to blaming AIDS on homosexuals etc. There are so many misconceptions and misunderstandings in his sermon that I seroiusly doubt he could have made it through hightschool. He must have been stuck in a cell with only the bible and a TV a company for years. __________________ - "Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.." - "Religions take everything that your DNA naturally wants to do to survive and pro-create and makes it wrong." - "There is only one absolute truth and that is that there is only one absolute truth."