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Originally Posted by willravel
Care to indluge us? Insight into your backround may serve to answer some questions, though it could potentially bring up more. Your call.
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Well, let's see. I first met people who were openly homosexual at the Rocky Horror Picture Show in the early 1980's, when I was a "castmember". If you know how the RHPS used to work, the movie played onscreen, the "cast" acted out what was on the screen, while people screamed retorts and threw things. I generally played Eddie and/or Dr. Scott and worked "security", which meant beating the shit out of drunk rednecks and sailors who misbehaved (it took a LOT to qualify as "misbehaving"...normally it involved REALLY anti-social behavior, such as physically attacking a castmember over their sexuality). And yes, when playing Dr. Scott, I wore fishnets and high heels in my wheelchair. I'd say prolly half the cast were openly gay. Afterwards, there were GREAT "castparties", which were generally debauched enough to rival anything out there in the modern era. These generally started out at after-hour gay clubs, and then moved to a castmember's house. I did that for over 15 years (I started when I was 14, and by the time I was 17 was one of the two "go-to" people when fights broke out), on average once a weekend for the entire time. My wife, BTW, played "Columbia" with one of the casts, that's where I met her. During my time at RHPS with various casts, I got into literally hundreds of fights protecting castmembers, many of whom were attacked for no other reason than their open homosexuality (there was a Navy base close-by). In the early 1990's, I marched in DC at the national gay rights march as part of PFLAG. I spent some time as a firearms instructor at the local Pink Pistols chapter when I lived close to one. Outside of the Pink Pistols, I sold a LOT of guns to gays (mostly by word-of-mouth, and YES, I had the appropriate licenses, it was 100% legal), and taught them to use them. (a LOT of the gun culture refuse to have anything to do with openly homosexual people, and I lost some "straight" customers by doing what I did, but fuck'em if they didn't like it, I wouldn't want to sell guns to the people who were offended by it anyway.) I volunteered at a free health clinic that was used by a mostly homosexual clientele back in the late 80's and early 90's, doing staff-work, cleaning up, and other sundry things that other people were not equipped to deal with based upon size/health. That led me to being a female reproductive services clinic "escort" (for some reason, the two groups intermingled a LOT, and when they needed a big beefy guy who didn't mind being spat upon and cracking the odd skull in accordance with the laws of self-defense, I tended to "get the call") when Operation Rescue was at their height of activity. I helped bury more gay friends who died of HIV/AIDS than most people have friends, period. There are a fair number of other ties, but those should be enough to establish my bona fides, and if they aren't for some people, well, nothing I could say would establish them for those people.
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You think gay people are perverts (by your definition) when they have sex. You are a self proclaimed pervert (again, by your own definition). Why would you not want to let fellow perverts have their day? Somehow it seems...not contradictory...but it seems to go against the idea that if you do something, you accept it in others. I'm not calling you a hypocrate, because this is a simplfied version of what's going on, but doesn't it strike you odd that one of the reasons that you don't want them to have rights happens to be something you enjoy?
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You don't see me out there lobbying to remove oral sex from the code, do you? Our statutes are neutral. They apply regardless of the orientation of the parties involved. It's just as technically illegal for me and my wife to engage in consentual oral sex as it is for a same-sex couple to consentually do it. Of course, the laws are almost never enforced, and when they are, it's generally because the conduct was SO outrageous in ways other than the sex act itself that it is the reason that there is a prosecution to begin with. By far the most common example of this involves forcible rape. If a person rapes another person, they're charged with rape, plus whatever other sex crimes were involved. So a person who forcibly rapes somebody else is charged with the rape, but if they do other things, they can be charged not only with rape but also with sodomy in the case of oral sex, or buggery in the case of anal sex, or whatever. I don't WANT the sex laws to go away, because they serve a very real purpose in punishing people who commit "mala in se" (like rape) crimes rather than "malum prohibitorum" (like consentual sex) crimes. I sometimes jokingly say that "you know you're doing it right by the number of laws you break doing it". As long as it's consentual, it's virtually NEVER prosecuted here, but if it isn't consentual, the laws are there so that the offender may be punished more in-line with their actions.
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Hahahaha. We are in agreement yet again. The state should have very little to do with marriage. You should get the license, and the basic rights, and then they should leave us to our liberties.
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If it's a right, you shouldn't have to get a license to exercise it.