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Old 02-04-2005, 02:15 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by roachboy
objectivity is an illusion.
is that so? i'm not sure how you can give an argument like that without cutting off any branch you choose to stand on. you can say that people are incapable of being perfectly objective... true. but it's equally true to say that no one is perfect. even so, i can point to some people who are more perfect than others. similarly, some journalists are more objective than others.

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people look for it so they can go to sleep while processing "information" you think that because there is a camera involved that what is shown is necessarily accurate, it seems. that is really pretty naieve.
if it weren't such a silly thing to say i'd be insulted.

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the only problem with knowing this is that you cant really trust any single source of information--you have to gather, coalate, sift, interpret--all actively.
who would argue? who is saying that any source of news is the best source in every instance? if you knew anything about me you'd understand that i consider tv coverage to be the medium least adept to covering news... severely handicapping the stock i put into ANY tv network's news.

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fox is obviously dimissable source if you are looking for information not already packaged in terms of conservative presuppositions.
the presuppositions are granted. however, if perfect objectivity is unattainable (or an illusion if you prefer) then you must assume that all news coverage is built on presuppositions. why criticize fox so much if all news is the same? i think the answer is that it most offends your sensibilities, not that you can demonstrate it is more beholden to a particular bias than other networks.


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and would you not think that there should be something to information beyond the reinforcement of arbitrary political predispositions?
of course, who could you be speaking to? your whole post seemed to be geared on the faulty (and imagined) premise that anyone encourages foxnews as the sole source of news gathering.
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