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lunchbox · 02-03-2005, 07:42 PM

<i>Bush claimed that democracy in Iraq would make the
invasion worthwhile. Does this prove him right? Is
there merit to his "domino theory" of democracy in
the Middle East? Was this worth 15,000 lives? (not a
rhetorical question).

Was the anti-war movement wrong?

I'll kick off the discussion with another question: DOes it really matter? Is the point of the exercise to have a side in the global debate that's right, or to supprt that Iraqi people in their choice? This guy Says it far better than I. Hope you have BugMeNot or an NYTimes subscription...</i>

Bush can claim the iraqi democracy is worthwhile, that doesn't make it true. I don't believe in war unless its an immediate threat, its been proven time and again that iraq wasn't. He can claim that diplomacy didn't work but I didn't see him try. Saddam sat there for 20ish years not doing anything with his power to the US but all of a sudden because George W Bush is in office he planned on it? I don't buy that for a second.

There is no domino theory to democracy in the middle east. What's the point anyway? what's wrong with dictatorships? Cuba has a dictatorship and a 100% literacy rate...i don't see the problem in that. It is not up to America to decide whether or not the people of each country want a democracy.

the anti-war movement wasn't wrong, because pre-emptive strike with minimal international backing -- causing the disruption of many of our allies -- is never excused.

the point of the excercize should be the side with the iraqi's choice but good luck on that one. We can't even side with a countries choice on economic system let alone a leader. We had to hope into vietnam because of the 'commmunist threat" and i've been trying to figure out since i was old enough to understand what politics is what the problem with 'communism' is. I happen to think it has MANY advantages over capitalism. But back to the point at hand, none of you here can confidently say that if the iraqis choose a muslim dictatorship that we're going to let it go. That's naive and blind to think that. If they're not supportive of mulitinational corporations and democratic we'll find a way right back into that country to up root it again.

02-03-2005, 07:42 PM	#84 (permalink)
lunchbox Thank God hockey is back Location: Deeeeeetroit	<i>Bush claimed that democracy in Iraq would make the invasion worthwhile. Does this prove him right? Is there merit to his "domino theory" of democracy in the Middle East? Was this worth 15,000 lives? (not a rhetorical question). Was the anti-war movement wrong? I'll kick off the discussion with another question: DOes it really matter? Is the point of the exercise to have a side in the global debate that's right, or to supprt that Iraqi people in their choice? This guy Says it far better than I. Hope you have BugMeNot or an NYTimes subscription...</i> Bush can claim the iraqi democracy is worthwhile, that doesn't make it true. I don't believe in war unless its an immediate threat, its been proven time and again that iraq wasn't. He can claim that diplomacy didn't work but I didn't see him try. Saddam sat there for 20ish years not doing anything with his power to the US but all of a sudden because George W Bush is in office he planned on it? I don't buy that for a second. There is no domino theory to democracy in the middle east. What's the point anyway? what's wrong with dictatorships? Cuba has a dictatorship and a 100% literacy rate...i don't see the problem in that. It is not up to America to decide whether or not the people of each country want a democracy. the anti-war movement wasn't wrong, because pre-emptive strike with minimal international backing -- causing the disruption of many of our allies -- is never excused. the point of the excercize should be the side with the iraqi's choice but good luck on that one. We can't even side with a countries choice on economic system let alone a leader. We had to hope into vietnam because of the 'commmunist threat" and i've been trying to figure out since i was old enough to understand what politics is what the problem with 'communism' is. I happen to think it has MANY advantages over capitalism. But back to the point at hand, none of you here can confidently say that if the iraqis choose a muslim dictatorship that we're going to let it go. That's naive and blind to think that. If they're not supportive of mulitinational corporations and democratic we'll find a way right back into that country to up root it again. __________________ A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools. -Douglas Adams