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Originally Posted by filtherton
Last i heard, your definition of gayness was yours and yours alone. Sexual orientation is who you are attracted to, not who you fuck. As for healthy and natural expressions of sexuality, i don't know how you choose to define it in your own world, but i think most people would agree that having sex with someone who is unable to understand what sex even is(children, aminals) would not constitute a healthy expression of sexuality. Roll your eyes all you want, but your inability to make a distinction such as this merely exposes your inability to think rationally on this topic.
I try not to look down at anyone, because who the fuck am i to tell someone how to live their life if they aren't fucking over me or society in general?
I also don't know how "equal rights" amounts to "special rights". Let's hop in a time machine. "Black people could always drink from drinking fountains, i don't know why they think that they deserve the "special right" to drink at any fountain they want." Is that what you mean by special rights? "No one's stopping minorities from getting married, i don't know why they think they deserve the "special right" to marry outside of their race". Is that also what you mean by "special rights"?
I find your framing of the struggle for gay rights in terms of tax breaks and corporate benefits laughable. That's like saying apartheid was about housing benefits. No one has to accept homosexuality as proper if they don't want to. What they shouldn't be able to do is discriminate arbitrarily based on someone's sexual orientation. There should be a more compelling reason to deny financial benefits to homosexual couples than a collection half-assed psuedo-logical rationalizations.
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I haven't seen what other people define sexual orientation as. I provided what I think to show where my opinion comes from, as opposed to making groundless assumptions about what other people may or may not think. And it's debatable as to children knowing what sex is. In some western countries, age of concent is 12. And I would say that your inability to see the similarities between the issues shows your bias toward a leftist agenda and a refusal to even contemplate any opinion which doesn't fit into your view of the world. Your response to my claim of the issues being similar boils down to "it just is" without any logic or rationality behind it. And then immediatly after say how you try not to look down on anyone, which is clearly something you fail at. I also find it appaling your inability to separate the issues of race (something born and immutable) and sexuality (which is debatably inborn and can be changed). And how sexual orientation is any more arbitrary than any number of ways of discriminating against people's acitons is beyond me. Again your linking of the "struggle for gay rights" and aparteid is ridiculous and shows how little you think of the civil rights struggles of minorities. And since when is it a requirement to have reasons for denying benefits. The burden is to show why society is benefitted, which for all your handwringing you have yet to do. There is no innate right. And going by recent rulings in the Florida and Louisiana state Supreme courts, my opinion is at the very least legally valid.