Quote:
|
Originally Posted by irateplatypus
it is not the responsibility of everyone else to point out the factual and logical fallacies in your posts. it is your duty to cite sources and back up assertions if you want to be given credibility to anyone who isn't like minded. however, i am feeling charitable...
|
You kind of insulted me (spoek down to me), so I felt it necessary to ask what I was being insulted for. Thank you for being so charitable.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by irateplatypus
this is a complete fabrication. the president has stated on numerous occassions in several important speeches...
"Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world; it is God's gift to humanity."
"America stands for liberty, for the pursuit of happiness and for the unalienable right for life. This right to life cannot be granted or denied by government because it does not come from government, it comes from the creator of life."
|
God did not invade Iraq, we did. The fact that we did it alone (without the direct help of God) makes us responsible for it, not God. Just because Bush claims that freedom is a gift from God does not mean we are acting as His right hand. If we were acting on behalf of God, that would make us a Christian theocracy.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by irateplatypus
even iraqibodycount.net puts the number at 17,830. newspapers from the middle east (using their own methods of computing) go no higher than 30,000 as of late last year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep21.html
so, to say that there are hundreds of thousands (meaning 200,000 at a bare minimum) killed or injured is an unfounded statement. even if you could prove that half of that number were killed and injure, how could you prove which ones were innocent... terrorists and shopkeepers alike wear the same clothing. also, how could you furthur prove that those deaths were the result of our actions? |
You were good to point out fatilities, but you neglected injuries (the other half of "killed and injured"). Who was to say I was only talking about Desert Storm 2? I was actually referring to the whole of American caused deaths and injuries to the Iraqi people. That easily passes your 200,000 minimum. We have been trying to remove Saddam from power since Desert Strom 1, so it is correct to say we've been trying to liberate the Iraqis for well voer a decade.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by irateplatypus
they are? according to what standard? how do you judge success? in what way are those 3 superior to countries who did contribute combat troops like Breat Britain, Poland, and Spain? you gloss over this, expecting your reader to ascent... but there is no backbone to this argument.
|
If America went to war with the moon, Breat Britian would follow. That discounts them as being a great democracy in my mind. We say jump, they ask how high. Poland and Spain cannot compare to Canada as far as governmental success. My point is that we simply disregarded these valid peers objections. Do you remember what they said? Wait until you verify your facts, like WMDs and a liink to al Qaeda. They were right. We were wrong.
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by irateplatypus
that's not the whole story. those are the same countries that passed a UN resolution authorizing force. their argument was not against a strike, it was that the strike was premature. also, if you put russia in canada's slot... you have the 3 countries most under suspicion for having under-the-table deals with saddam in the oil-for-food program. i don't even think i've seen you give much attention to that, which is breathtaking given your activity in tilted paranoia.
|
I also post in Entertainment, but that also has no bearing on the present conversation. Like I said before, they wanted to be sure before going in there. The legal right for America to attack was based on the WMD/al Qaeda link. Our country could have been at risk from Saddam. Now it's been proven that we were not at risk, therefore null and voiding our legal standing on an attack on a foreign, soverign nation. Everyone makes money off the oil from the Middle East. Even Canada. That does not invalidate their request to wait.
I hope that clears it up for you.
Edit: I appreciate your open disagreements. I'd rather have someone to go head-to-head with than someone who just blindly follows along.