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Old 01-31-2005, 08:06 PM   #19 (permalink)
irateplatypus
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it is not the responsibility of everyone else to point out the factual and logical fallacies in your posts. it is your duty to cite sources and back up assertions if you want to be given credibility to anyone who isn't like minded. however, i am feeling charitable...

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Bushco would have us believe that their freedom is a benevolent gift from the heroes of the world.
this is a complete fabrication. the president has stated on numerous occassions in several important speeches...

"Americans are a free people, who know that freedom is the right of every person and the future of every nation. The liberty we prize is not America's gift to the world; it is God's gift to humanity."

"America stands for liberty, for the pursuit of happiness and for the unalienable right for life. This right to life cannot be granted or denied by government because it does not come from government, it comes from the creator of life."

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In the effort to free Iraq, we killed and injured hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians.
even iraqibodycount.net puts the number at 17,830. newspapers from the middle east (using their own methods of computing) go no higher than 30,000 as of late last year.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep21.html
so, to say that there are hundreds of thousands (meaning 200,000 at a bare minimum) killed or injured is an unfounded statement. even if you could prove that half of that number were killed and injure, how could you prove which ones were innocent... terrorists and shopkeepers alike wear the same clothing. also, how could you furthur prove that those deaths were the result of our actions?

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France, Germany and Canada are probably some of the best examples of democracy on the planet (everyone has their faults, but on the whole, they are the most successful).
they are? according to what standard? how do you judge success? in what way are those 3 superior to countries who did contribute combat troops like Breat Britain, Poland, and Spain? you gloss over this, expecting your reader to ascent... but there is no backbone to this argument.

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Those are the same countries who told the US not to go to war with Iraq. They pleaded with us not to strike.
that's not the whole story. those are the same countries that passed a UN resolution authorizing force. their argument was not against a strike, it was that the strike was premature. also, if you put russia in canada's slot... you have the 3 countries most under suspicion for having under-the-table deals with saddam in the oil-for-food program. i don't even think i've seen you give much attention to that, which is breathtaking given your activity in tilted paranoia.

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Has France, Germany, or Canada tried to force democracy on anyone lately? I don't think so. They seem to seek peaceful resolution at all costs.
this is ridiculous. if the cited nations really do seek peaceful resolution at all costs... then they would not engage in any expeditionary military action. they do engage in such actions (gulf war one, ivory coast, bosnia, afghanistan) therefore they do not seek peaceful resolution at all costs. they simply have their own motivations and criteria for when military action is justified. for france, the last time that happened was a couple months ago.

and again, what supports your implication that placing peace instead of justice as the thing we will defend at all costs is a good thing? there are many times when you cannot have both.

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If better democracies than us are not doing this, what gives us the right to impose "freedom"?
again, this rests on bald assertions, not reasoned arguments. what makes those democracies better? why, it's because you say so apparently... that's all you've given your reader.

you asked, i've taken the time to respond.
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