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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
Secondly your exaltation of "peaceful" countries like France and Germany is a joke. They were enablers plan and simple, the only reason they opposed this war was because of 1) selfish economic factors 2) because they had been violating sanctions for year 3) trying to get oil for themselves 4) to prevent us from getting to oil which would regulate them and other countries and 5) to act as a counter balance to US influence. I'm saying this as a general statement, but you are ignorant (either willingly or not) and warped if you think countries who voted in opposition to this war were doing it out of some great moral prinicple.
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one could argue that the u.s. did what it did for selfish economic factors... many countries are in violation of u.n. sanctions/resolutions... perhaps we're tyring to get oil for ourselves... and many people believe we're doing what we're doing for some overarching great moral principle, i.e. freedom.
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Your main point about freedom and being relative though is weak. We aren't instilling per say our type of democracy in Iraq. They just had their first free elections in 50+ years yesterday. They don't have a sitting government they only have a transitional authority. The specifics of their freedom is going to be decided in the next year, they don't have a constitution of their own yet, that's why they elected delegates, they are free to do with it as they please, that is the brilliance of freedom.
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i thought that one of the questions that willravel asked is, is this freedom? you admit that the specifics of their freedom will be decided in the next year... are they truly free?!? is their freedom being deferred? if so, is that in itself freedom?
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