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Originally Posted by Johnny Rotten
The italicized phrase in your post above also does not make a distinction between murder and things like accidental death, self-defense, temporary insanity (controversial but nevertheless on the books), or a soldier in time of war killing on the battlefield. What about a person who mistakenly thinks he has repressed memories of childhood molestation, and kills his molester? Is contract killing wrong, or acceptable if it's done for a greater good? What if the killer really enjoys his "greater good" work, and getting paid for it is just a bonus? What if you're told that you have to kill someone, and if you don't you'll die as a result?
In attempting to refine the statement, you will find yourself sifting through subtler and sublter shades of meaning, until the lines are completely blurred and it becomes a matter of personal opinion.
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I understand that there are circumstances that compromise my statement--like temporary insanity or involuntary murder. I am a strong believer in justifiable murder because there are such extremes in this world where their is no other option than "him or me." I said later in my post (which I will now edit to bold these phrases)
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I believe that criminals (ones that confessed to their crimes and do not sincerely feel remorse for their actions) with life in prison without parole or are on death row now should be used for human experimentation.
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I stated here that serial murderers or serial rapists should be used in this type of research. The ones that were sane, were not forced by others (including Military service), and do not feel remorse are the monsters that I described that forfeit their rights to humans.
I once was religious martinguerre, I believed in the same thing that you do: we were made in the image of God. But the ironic death of the one person that kept my religion forced me to look and see that maybe some aren't as divine as they should be.
I will not accept mass murderers as human beings. People that murder for hire, are monsters for they profit on the suffering and deaths of others. How can they even begin to have that same divine spark that you or I have? I don't accept it.
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Originally Posted by Rdr4evr
I believe if experiments are to be conducted on heinous criminals; it is devaluing and a step backwards for humanity.
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The whole reason for this is that these criminals took the rights away from others. Look at the law. Our justice system understands that for police to capture criminals that sometimes the police must act like those criminals.
So take this one step further: allow the penalties to reflect the actions of the criminals. I, too, agree with the no cruel and unusual punishment in terms of stealing or vandalism. Like in other countries were loss of limb occurs for stealing is inhuman because of the conditions that those people live in. There is hunger and poverty so the only way to support oneself would be through theft.
But murderers and rapists are the criminals that I am really focusing on. I place "do unto others as you would have done unto you" before no cruel and unusual punishment. Since I would not stand for a system that punishes in the way one committed a crime, I do see using a criminal for human experimentation as justifiable.
EDIT: I didn't want to bother bumping this and I regret never saying it before but, when, pray-tell, did God enjoy raping and murdering people? If we all are created in God's divine image, where do these elements fall in. And don't bother with the Devil because this is a rhetorical question.