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MageB420666 · 01-29-2005, 10:02 AM

Sorry if this seems a little out of place in this thread, but i just felt I needed to put this here, maybe just to add a different perspective to the mix.

Ok, I've never been Christian and will never be Christian. I was raised as a Reform Jew. But now I'm not really that either. I am in the point of my life were I am trying to weigh the different ideas that are out there against my own thoughts and reasoning. So I will try to go through each of the different thought processes seperatly.

First, why I will never be a Christian. Christianity promotes the idea that we are not only not responsible for our own actions, but that others can take responsiblity for our actions and that other people's actions can be held against us. If we "sin" we can be absolved of all responsibility for that sin if we believe in Jesus and ask for forgiveness. Second, Jesus took responsibility for or "sins" upon himself. Lastly, we are held responsible for the original sin and are born in sin, two actions that we have nothing to do with. So I refuse to believe in a God that will hold other people actions and vices against me, if I'm gonna burn in hell for all eternity, I want it to be for something I did, not what others did.

Second, why I'm not really a Jew any more. This deals with a lot of the reasons that I don't really believe in a higher power right now. First is the size and complexity of the universe, if it was created just for us, then why have stars and galaxies that we cannot even see without massive radio telescopes? What is the point in having all that extra stuff out there that we're never going to reach? Next reason is just statistics, most people who say that the odds are so large against it happening that it couldn't, don't really understand how statistics work. Statistics are just a guideline, not a set rule, just because something has a one to a billion chance against it happening does not mean it can't happen or that it has to not happen a billion times before it happens, it could happen five times in a row. So I don't believe that a 250,000,000,000 to 1 against, statistic as meaning that life couldn't have happened just by chance, it just means that the majority of other planets in the universe aren't going to have life.

So if the universe wasn't created just for us, and there are numerous other species in the universe, then that rules out most of the major religions right there.

Now, for the reason that I'm having a dilemma, I just have a feeling that there is something(s) out there, I just can't decide whether I believe in one god/ddess, multiple gods/ddesses, or an energy field, or a cosmic balance sheet with 300% interest on debts. It is probably just a feeling that was instilled in me because I was raised with religion in my life, or it could be that/those deity/deities reaching out and letting me know, "Hey, we're here. Don't worry". I just wish that he/she/they would own up and let me know what is right, otherwise I'm likely to just say screw it all, I'll worry about it when I'm dead.

01-29-2005, 10:02 AM	#56 (permalink)
MageB420666 <Insert wise statement here> Location: Hell if I know	Sorry if this seems a little out of place in this thread, but i just felt I needed to put this here, maybe just to add a different perspective to the mix. Ok, I've never been Christian and will never be Christian. I was raised as a Reform Jew. But now I'm not really that either. I am in the point of my life were I am trying to weigh the different ideas that are out there against my own thoughts and reasoning. So I will try to go through each of the different thought processes seperatly. First, why I will never be a Christian. Christianity promotes the idea that we are not only not responsible for our own actions, but that others can take responsiblity for our actions and that other people's actions can be held against us. If we "sin" we can be absolved of all responsibility for that sin if we believe in Jesus and ask for forgiveness. Second, Jesus took responsibility for or "sins" upon himself. Lastly, we are held responsible for the original sin and are born in sin, two actions that we have nothing to do with. So I refuse to believe in a God that will hold other people actions and vices against me, if I'm gonna burn in hell for all eternity, I want it to be for something I did, not what others did. Second, why I'm not really a Jew any more. This deals with a lot of the reasons that I don't really believe in a higher power right now. First is the size and complexity of the universe, if it was created just for us, then why have stars and galaxies that we cannot even see without massive radio telescopes? What is the point in having all that extra stuff out there that we're never going to reach? Next reason is just statistics, most people who say that the odds are so large against it happening that it couldn't, don't really understand how statistics work. Statistics are just a guideline, not a set rule, just because something has a one to a billion chance against it happening does not mean it can't happen or that it has to not happen a billion times before it happens, it could happen five times in a row. So I don't believe that a 250,000,000,000 to 1 against, statistic as meaning that life couldn't have happened just by chance, it just means that the majority of other planets in the universe aren't going to have life. So if the universe wasn't created just for us, and there are numerous other species in the universe, then that rules out most of the major religions right there. Now, for the reason that I'm having a dilemma, I just have a feeling that there is something(s) out there, I just can't decide whether I believe in one god/ddess, multiple gods/ddesses, or an energy field, or a cosmic balance sheet with 300% interest on debts. It is probably just a feeling that was instilled in me because I was raised with religion in my life, or it could be that/those deity/deities reaching out and letting me know, "Hey, we're here. Don't worry". I just wish that he/she/they would own up and let me know what is right, otherwise I'm likely to just say screw it all, I'll worry about it when I'm dead. __________________ Apathy: The best outlook this side of I don't give a damn.