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Willravel · 01-28-2005, 11:29 AM

Author’s note: Before I begin, I invite you to read the 9/11 Commission Final Report (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/) and the FEMA report on the WTC collapse (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/official/fema.html).

What is a patriot? A patriot is someone who loves and defends his or her country. But what does a patriot defend his or her country from? Usually you hear ‘patriot’ to describe those who defend America in the military, or those who lose their lives for our country. Those 3000 people who died on 9/11 were attacked by an enemy of America, and they will always be considered patriots in my mind.

I love my country. I love the people. I love our Constitution. I love our land. I love our freedom. We live in a country with astronomical potential for good and we are a people with the best intentions. We seek to better ourselves and the world.

As a patriot, I was devastated, just as I’m sure all of you were, by the events of September 11, 2001. I watched in horror as planes crashed into the buildings. I felt numb when shock overtook me as I realized that I had just watched the greatest terror attack in America’s history. I watched the death count and missing persons count rise and my heart broke. Then another plane crashed into the Pentagon. “My God”, I thought, “we are facing a full out attack.” The Word Trade center, the symbol for American strength of economy, and the Pentagon, the symbol for american defense and military, were in ruins.

The healing process never really heals us completely from things like this. To this day, 9/11 is a very sensitive subject, as so many people were hurt by it.

We struck back with mighty force. The al Qaeda networks were torn apart and training camps were atomized by our powerful weapons. We tracked terrorist networks around the world, and brought them to justice.

Justice. Another word that so very much applies to this. We were attacked to the very core. We wanted and deserved justice. The moral punishment for those who had done wrong is what we deserved and still deserve.

This post is about patriotism and justice. This post is about our moral and patriotic obligation to find those who are guilty of attacking us and bring them to justice. This post is about truth.

The following are points that contradict the official report given to us by the American Government and the press. If you are still sensitive to 9/11, please consider hitting the back button, as this may disturb you.

- all of the wreckage from the twin towers was shipped off, sold, and melted down before FEMA or any other investigators could test it.
http://www.s-t.com/daily/09-02/09-10-02/a02wn021.htm
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stori...01180259.shtml

- a multitude of people were present in the wtc when the planes hit and saw and heard explosions going off, dozens of floors below the plane crash. (there was no combustible fuel in the building beyond the plane fuel):
seismograph readings from 34 km from ground zero http://www.american-buddha.com/sept.15.gif
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/people.html (from a people magazine article that was quickly erased); see Louie Cacchioli
http://prisonplanet.com/articles/jun...gnoredclue.htm bomb sniffing dogs removed from wtc days before attack.
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg interview with firefighters from ny. Warning, profanity.
http://www.courts.state.ny.us/report...2004_00091.htm Here's the complete text of the New York Court's decision denying the press' right to access the complete oral histories/interviews taken of firefighters' and other workers about 9/11 as well as access to phone calls made to 911 on that day.

- video evidence shows the building was demolished using explosives, as it is impossible for the heat to be evenly distributed over the entire structure so that it completely melts and collapses all at the same time:
Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm
In the videos of the collapse (http://911review.org/Wiki/Sept11Videos.shtml) you can see the buildings exploded into fine dust, not collapsed pieces. Also, the buildings come down in about the same time as a free fall (about 15 seconds)- there was no friction of a collapse. This means that the building’s steel reinforcement was all melted to the point of giving at the exact same rate, despite the fact the fires were limited to the upper floors. Also, the maximum temperature for a kerosene fire is insufficient to melt steel. The temperatures measured of the core of the rubble, five days later, exceeded the maximum temperature for a kerosene fire.

- even the FEMA report admits that they are confused and baffled as to how building 7 of the WTC collapsed (as it is riddled with scientific and logistical errors):
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/7collapse.avi, http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc-7_1_.gif both show that the building had basically no smoke coming from the building, and it also shows a collapse speed to rival the speeds of the WTC 1 and 2. WTC 7 was not hit by a plane, and (as was admitted by FEMA) very little debris actually came in contact with WTC 7.
According to the FEMA report on Building 7, debris from the collapsing North Tower breached a fuel oil pipe in a room in the north side of the building. This means the debris had to travel across WTC 6, and smash through about 50 feet of the building, including a concrete masonry wall.
Also according to the FEMA report, the backup mechanism (that should have shut off the fuel oil pumps when a breach occurred) failed to work, and the fuel oil (diesel) was pumped from the tanks on the ground floor to the fifth floor where it ignited. The pumps emptied the tanks of all 12,000 gallons of fuel.
The extant fires raised the temperature of the spilled fuel oil to the 140 degrees F required for it to ignite. The sprinkler malfunctioned and failed to extinguish the fire.
The conclusion from FEMA: “The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.”
They would have investigated, but the wreckage was already sold as scrap and was being melted down.

- the investigation team supposedly found one of the terrorists passports in the wreckage of the wtc:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1546927.stm
This is probably the most impossible thing I’ve ever heard. The explosion that created a fireball and crushed the plane and melted one of the best steel reinforced structured in the world allowed a passport to fall gently to the ground. So untouched, in fact, that they could tell who it belonged to!

- the video of the 757 hitting the pentagon was at the wrong speed (if it were correct, the plane would have been going approx. 275-325 mph, which contradicts the reports) and was the wrong size:
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomfive/P...hanalysis1.jpg The Pentagon measures 921.6 feet along each external face, half of this distance, marked on the diagram between the central corridor and the upper-left corner of the Pentagon (cyan) is 460.8' . Take this base measurement as a scale and measure the distance from the rear of the plane in the photo (red dot), along the approximate path of the jet (dark-green line) to the impact point. The distance the tail traveled between frames (heavy red line) is approx. 450', which is just short of the originally estimated 465' or 3 lengths of a 757, which is 155'.
So, 450 feet traveled in 1/30th of a second = 13500 feet/sec. = 2.55 miles/sec. = 153.4 miles/min. = 9204.54 mph = 7997 kts. = Mach 12.11
Even if you alter the path of the jet to a direct (90 degree) impact trajectory, (which introduces other unexplainable issues such as intact light-posts and trees, clearing the embankment, not to mention those anomalous hydro spools) you still end up with a final velocity exceeding Mach 6.

- the damage at the pentagon is not consistent with the damage that should have been there. The windows where the wings were said to hit weren't even broken! The hole in the back wall is the wrong size (for the fuselage OR the engines):
http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.ph...&group=webcast is a good overview.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentcrash.jpg shows a very famous picture of how the 757 matches up with the damage. As you and I can plainly see, the wings left no damage to the limestone side of the Pentagon. Now when a plane hits a steel reinforced concrete wall, it is going to be smashed to bits, but the idea that it left no impressions is absurd.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/crash2a.jpg shows that the smoke to the right of the impact is black versus the smoke coming from the building. Note also that they do not store fuel for the helicopters at the helipad to the right of the picture.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pi...e-pylons-a.jpg Speaks for itself.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/wreckage2.jpg Note also that American Airlines does not have a flag of this size on the exterior of their planes. So why does this plane have one?
The Pentagon is one of the most heavily guarded and watched site on the Planet, with some exceptions to perhaps Area 51 and NORAD. With Radar systems capable of tracking objects right down to sea level, Friend or Foe Systems, and Satellite systems, it amazes me that a rogue Boeing 757 could hit the Pentagon with out warning after 2 planes already had hit the World Trade Center. The Pentagon is equipped with the latest State of the Art technology in the War Room.
http://killtown.911review.org/chart.html is a full response chart based on the FAA and NORAD reports.
http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pi...n-punchout.gif This is a picture of the inner-most wall. That hole is roughly 16’ wide and 11’ tall. Now each ring of the Pentagon has an outer and inner wall. Each wall is approx. 18" thick. This is steel reiforced concrete. That means that the impact point was 36" of steel reinforced concrete. This means a total of 9' of steel reinforced concrete from entry point in the outer ring, to the exit point of the inside of the inner ring. Could a 757 have punched out a 14-16' wide hole on entry and have pierced 9' total of steel reinforced concrete to make a hole of almost exactly the same dimentions?
Now the nose of a plane is not made of reinforced aluminum or anything of the sort. The nose of a plane (the part that would have been doing the punching) is called a "crashdome". This is the area of the plane that is below and infront of the cockpit; the area that would first impact. This crashdome is where the plane stores electronic navigation equiptment. To enable the transmission of signals, the nose is not made of metal, but carbon. It's shape has been designed to be aerodynamic but it is not crash resistant. The inside casting, as well as its contents, are extremly fragile. The nose would crash on impact with an obstacle, not penatrate it. You NEVER find a nose in a crashsite that involves a head on colision (the type in this case). THEREFORE, it is impossible that this carbon nose punshed a perfect 2.5 yard diameter circular hole in the steel reinforced buildings.

- almost no smoke or heat damage to the pentagon despite 8600 gallons of burning fuel that would have been left by the 757:
http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/9...ages/stool.jpg The roof is still intact and has virtually no fire damage. Notice the computer monitor and stool that the 8600 gallons of fuel were unable to even burn. This picture was published by Time, Newsweek, and People.

I am asking you (the reader) to please refute these. If I am right, this means the foundation of all terrorist military actions over the last 4 years was not only baseless, but there was a deliberate cover-up.

01-28-2005, 11:29 AM	#229 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter.	Author’s note: Before I begin, I invite you to read the 9/11 Commission Final Report (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/) and the FEMA report on the WTC collapse (http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/official/fema.html). What is a patriot? A patriot is someone who loves and defends his or her country. But what does a patriot defend his or her country from? Usually you hear ‘patriot’ to describe those who defend America in the military, or those who lose their lives for our country. Those 3000 people who died on 9/11 were attacked by an enemy of America, and they will always be considered patriots in my mind. I love my country. I love the people. I love our Constitution. I love our land. I love our freedom. We live in a country with astronomical potential for good and we are a people with the best intentions. We seek to better ourselves and the world. As a patriot, I was devastated, just as I’m sure all of you were, by the events of September 11, 2001. I watched in horror as planes crashed into the buildings. I felt numb when shock overtook me as I realized that I had just watched the greatest terror attack in America’s history. I watched the death count and missing persons count rise and my heart broke. Then another plane crashed into the Pentagon. “My God”, I thought, “we are facing a full out attack.” The Word Trade center, the symbol for American strength of economy, and the Pentagon, the symbol for american defense and military, were in ruins. The healing process never really heals us completely from things like this. To this day, 9/11 is a very sensitive subject, as so many people were hurt by it. We struck back with mighty force. The al Qaeda networks were torn apart and training camps were atomized by our powerful weapons. We tracked terrorist networks around the world, and brought them to justice. Justice. Another word that so very much applies to this. We were attacked to the very core. We wanted and deserved justice. The moral punishment for those who had done wrong is what we deserved and still deserve. This post is about patriotism and justice. This post is about our moral and patriotic obligation to find those who are guilty of attacking us and bring them to justice. This post is about truth. The following are points that contradict the official report given to us by the American Government and the press. If you are still sensitive to 9/11, please consider hitting the back button, as this may disturb you. - all of the wreckage from the twin towers was shipped off, sold, and melted down before FEMA or any other investigators could test it. http://www.s-t.com/daily/09-02/09-10-02/a02wn021.htm http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stori...01180259.shtml - a multitude of people were present in the wtc when the planes hit and saw and heard explosions going off, dozens of floors below the plane crash. (there was no combustible fuel in the building beyond the plane fuel): seismograph readings from 34 km from ground zero http://www.american-buddha.com/sept.15.gif http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/people.html (from a people magazine article that was quickly erased); see Louie Cacchioli http://prisonplanet.com/articles/jun...gnoredclue.htm bomb sniffing dogs removed from wtc days before attack. http://www.prisonplanet.tv/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg interview with firefighters from ny. Warning, profanity. http://www.courts.state.ny.us/report...2004_00091.htm Here's the complete text of the New York Court's decision denying the press' right to access the complete oral histories/interviews taken of firefighters' and other workers about 9/11 as well as access to phone calls made to 911 on that day. - video evidence shows the building was demolished using explosives, as it is impossible for the heat to be evenly distributed over the entire structure so that it completely melts and collapses all at the same time: Larry Silverstein, the controller of the destroyed WTC complex, stated plainly in a PBS documentary that he and the FDNY decided jointly to demolish the Solomon Bros. building, or WTC 7, late in the afternoon of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. http://www.infowars.com/print/Sept11/FDNY.htm In the videos of the collapse (http://911review.org/Wiki/Sept11Videos.shtml) you can see the buildings exploded into fine dust, not collapsed pieces. Also, the buildings come down in about the same time as a free fall (about 15 seconds)- there was no friction of a collapse. This means that the building’s steel reinforcement was all melted to the point of giving at the exact same rate, despite the fact the fires were limited to the upper floors. Also, the maximum temperature for a kerosene fire is insufficient to melt steel. The temperatures measured of the core of the rubble, five days later, exceeded the maximum temperature for a kerosene fire. - even the FEMA report admits that they are confused and baffled as to how building 7 of the WTC collapsed (as it is riddled with scientific and logistical errors): http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/7collapse.avi, http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc-7_1_.gif both show that the building had basically no smoke coming from the building, and it also shows a collapse speed to rival the speeds of the WTC 1 and 2. WTC 7 was not hit by a plane, and (as was admitted by FEMA) very little debris actually came in contact with WTC 7. According to the FEMA report on Building 7, debris from the collapsing North Tower breached a fuel oil pipe in a room in the north side of the building. This means the debris had to travel across WTC 6, and smash through about 50 feet of the building, including a concrete masonry wall. Also according to the FEMA report, the backup mechanism (that should have shut off the fuel oil pumps when a breach occurred) failed to work, and the fuel oil (diesel) was pumped from the tanks on the ground floor to the fifth floor where it ignited. The pumps emptied the tanks of all 12,000 gallons of fuel. The extant fires raised the temperature of the spilled fuel oil to the 140 degrees F required for it to ignite. The sprinkler malfunctioned and failed to extinguish the fire. The conclusion from FEMA: “The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.” They would have investigated, but the wreckage was already sold as scrap and was being melted down. - the investigation team supposedly found one of the terrorists passports in the wreckage of the wtc: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1546927.stm This is probably the most impossible thing I’ve ever heard. The explosion that created a fireball and crushed the plane and melted one of the best steel reinforced structured in the world allowed a passport to fall gently to the ground. So untouched, in fact, that they could tell who it belonged to! - the video of the 757 hitting the pentagon was at the wrong speed (if it were correct, the plane would have been going approx. 275-325 mph, which contradicts the reports) and was the wrong size: http://members.shaw.ca/freedomfive/P...hanalysis1.jpg The Pentagon measures 921.6 feet along each external face, half of this distance, marked on the diagram between the central corridor and the upper-left corner of the Pentagon (cyan) is 460.8' . Take this base measurement as a scale and measure the distance from the rear of the plane in the photo (red dot), along the approximate path of the jet (dark-green line) to the impact point. The distance the tail traveled between frames (heavy red line) is approx. 450', which is just short of the originally estimated 465' or 3 lengths of a 757, which is 155'. So, 450 feet traveled in 1/30th of a second = 13500 feet/sec. = 2.55 miles/sec. = 153.4 miles/min. = 9204.54 mph = 7997 kts. = Mach 12.11 Even if you alter the path of the jet to a direct (90 degree) impact trajectory, (which introduces other unexplainable issues such as intact light-posts and trees, clearing the embankment, not to mention those anomalous hydro spools) you still end up with a final velocity exceeding Mach 6. - the damage at the pentagon is not consistent with the damage that should have been there. The windows where the wings were said to hit weren't even broken! The hole in the back wall is the wrong size (for the fuselage OR the engines): http://sydney.indymedia.org/front.ph...&group=webcast is a good overview. http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/pentcrash.jpg shows a very famous picture of how the 757 matches up with the damage. As you and I can plainly see, the wings left no damage to the limestone side of the Pentagon. Now when a plane hits a steel reinforced concrete wall, it is going to be smashed to bits, but the idea that it left no impressions is absurd. http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/crash2a.jpg shows that the smoke to the right of the impact is black versus the smoke coming from the building. Note also that they do not store fuel for the helicopters at the helipad to the right of the picture. http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pi...e-pylons-a.jpg Speaks for itself. http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pics/wreckage2.jpg Note also that American Airlines does not have a flag of this size on the exterior of their planes. So why does this plane have one? The Pentagon is one of the most heavily guarded and watched site on the Planet, with some exceptions to perhaps Area 51 and NORAD. With Radar systems capable of tracking objects right down to sea level, Friend or Foe Systems, and Satellite systems, it amazes me that a rogue Boeing 757 could hit the Pentagon with out warning after 2 planes already had hit the World Trade Center. The Pentagon is equipped with the latest State of the Art technology in the War Room. http://killtown.911review.org/chart.html is a full response chart based on the FAA and NORAD reports. http://members.shaw.ca/freedomsix/pi...n-punchout.gif This is a picture of the inner-most wall. That hole is roughly 16’ wide and 11’ tall. Now each ring of the Pentagon has an outer and inner wall. Each wall is approx. 18" thick. This is steel reiforced concrete. That means that the impact point was 36" of steel reinforced concrete. This means a total of 9' of steel reinforced concrete from entry point in the outer ring, to the exit point of the inside of the inner ring. Could a 757 have punched out a 14-16' wide hole on entry and have pierced 9' total of steel reinforced concrete to make a hole of almost exactly the same dimentions? Now the nose of a plane is not made of reinforced aluminum or anything of the sort. The nose of a plane (the part that would have been doing the punching) is called a "crashdome". This is the area of the plane that is below and infront of the cockpit; the area that would first impact. This crashdome is where the plane stores electronic navigation equiptment. To enable the transmission of signals, the nose is not made of metal, but carbon. It's shape has been designed to be aerodynamic but it is not crash resistant. The inside casting, as well as its contents, are extremly fragile. The nose would crash on impact with an obstacle, not penatrate it. You NEVER find a nose in a crashsite that involves a head on colision (the type in this case). THEREFORE, it is impossible that this carbon nose punshed a perfect 2.5 yard diameter circular hole in the steel reinforced buildings. - almost no smoke or heat damage to the pentagon despite 8600 gallons of burning fuel that would have been left by the 757: http://www.thepowerhour.com/images/9...ages/stool.jpg The roof is still intact and has virtually no fire damage. Notice the computer monitor and stool that the 8600 gallons of fuel were unable to even burn. This picture was published by Time, Newsweek, and People. I am asking you (the reader) to please refute these. If I am right, this means the foundation of all terrorist military actions over the last 4 years was not only baseless, but there was a deliberate cover-up.