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Oh yeah, nice understatement.
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Point!
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Whether you like it or not, guns have been used to defend your right to say what you want and live how you like many times, including in the fine city of Philidelphia, home to the Continental Congress and many sons of liberty who shed their blood to secure your "rights".
While you might not agree to the current action, it ignores centuries of history to sneer at those who have taken up a gun to defend themselves and their country.
It is also extremely offensive as well.
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When has carrying concealed handguns legally defended freedom of speech? It looks like you are using the "wrap yourself in the flag" arguement.
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Do you think pro-gun registration activists want to prevent the military from carrying guns?
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I was being overly hyperbolic. This wasn't polite.
I'm was guessing at a connection between gun control and the use of guns and violence to defend liberty:
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Whether you like it or not, guns have been used to defend your right to say what you want and live how you like many times, including in the fine city of Philidelphia, home to the Continental Congress and many sons of liberty who shed their blood to secure your "rights".
While you might not agree to the current action, it ignores centuries of history to sneer at those who have taken up a gun to defend themselves and their country.
It is also extremely offensive as well.
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What does gun control have to do with guns and violence being historically used to defend liberty?
I'd put forward that the last time mostly privately-owned arms where used in defence of liberty was the American Revolution? (for some odd reason, I think the Civil War was fought with mostly government owned arms... but I could be wrong)
And yes, I respect the American People's sacrafice of blood to keep themselves slightly safer from Tyrants.
Hmm. Looking into it.
Black Panthers walked around armed (with automatic weapons, IIRC), with one reason being to prevent police abuses on the Black community. The result was the government successfully banned the weapons they where using, correct?
During the Civil War, where a good chunk of the guns in use government-issue or privately owned? (argueably, both sides where fighting for very different definitions of 'liberty', so either side could count)
WWI and WWII wheren't fought with private weapons.
The Alamo, and other Mexican/American wars, might have been fought with private weapons to a certain extent?
The long post-civil war period of black oppression in the south. There was at least one 'gun control' law passed that was designed only to be applied on black people, according to a commentary I read.
1812 might be considered a War of Liberty, from the American side.
Then, there are the small-scale rebellions: citizens shooting a police officer rather than submitting to the rule of law. Some of them might be part of the battle for liberty.
Basically, I'm looking for some concrete connection between "Private Weapon Ownership" and "Defending Liberty". Ideally the "Private Weapon ownership" would occur during the time that the right to bear arms amendment existed, showing that it is effective in it's job.