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Yeah, I've used Fruity Loops, and ... I don't like it. I need something more... real. Their drums are entirely too fake, although I'm sure there are kits you can download for it.
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Did any of you guys check out the drumkit from hell from toon track? I've made plenty of awesome drum tracks with those, just email me and I'll send you some. There really is no end to what you can do with Fruity Loops, a good drumkit, and a sound editing program: Make odd measures, drum fills, etc. Yes, the default kits do sound like dog farts but with the DKFH it sounds incredible. I'm not trying to argue, I just don't think you guys are giving enough credit to a pretty easy to use and versatile program if you have the right stuff and know how to do it. Remember when listening to these demos...the drums really are programmed!
http://www.toontrack.com/demos.shtml
If you like grind but hate Agoraphobic nosebleed (coughmecough

) check out Fuck...I'm Dead. Their drums are also programmed but sound damn heavy.