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Originally Posted by daswig
Vietnam was not lost on the battlefields. It was lost by the treasonous efforts of American citizens.
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How was Treason a requirement for opposing the war?
At least some, if not most, of the war protesters where trying to point out that the US was wrong in engaging in war.
Calling that treason is a recipie for tyranny.
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Originally Posted by daswig
Even Giap admits this. The battles of Vietnam resulted in over a million dead people. Communism itself resulted in the deaths of hundreds of millions of dead people. Was fighting communism wrong? Well, I guess that depends on if a person is a communist or not.
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On the American side, you where fighting a grand war against the evil's of communism.
On the Veitnam side, you where fighting a colonial war of oppression against a people longing to be an independant people.
My position is, the Veitnam was was a
mistake, an error. America got into the war without knowing what it was doing. America fucked up.
If you presuppose that Veitnam was a war of good against evil -- guess what, it is easy to show that Vietnam wasn't a mistake! But it wasn't a war against the ideology of communism.
The end of the Vietnam war was caused, partially, by the USA figuring this out. Pointing out where the USA is wrong isn't treason, it is the duty of every patriotic American citizen.
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Originally Posted by daswig
Strange that Franklin didn't seem to have a problem with Art. III § 3...
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I'll assume you have evidence to back this assertion up?
There are many things the constitution allows.
The USA can declair war on every nation in the world, according to the constitution.
The USA can prevent any trade from occuring between the states.
If the US constituion permits someone who protests against the US being in war that the person believes to be bad for the US to be made into a traitor, then this is just something the US constitution permits.
That which is permitted is not that which is required.
Second, someone who isn't adhering to the enemy cannot be found guilty of Treason under the US constitution.