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Old 01-19-2005, 08:28 AM   #107 (permalink)
Yakk
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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
It's amazing how people would concede Nukes to Iran, even when it is blatantly illegal and insane for geopolitics. Grow a spine.
It has been made clear that only way a nation can defend itself against American military aggression is to own nukes and not be afraid to use them.

As such, I now sympasize with nations that wish to work on nuclear programs. In fact, it would probably be wise for current US allies to work on nuclear programs, in case things change.

The exitance of beligerant nations with nuclear weapons is a horrible thing for the world as a whole.

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Originally Posted by Rekna
So when the UN says we don't approve of you attacking this country does that mean by attacking that country you broke international law?
The veto powers can effectivly do no wrong under the UN, unless they don't show up.

Any of the veto powers can veto any and all UN security council votes that call for santions on their own nation.

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
Like it or not, the only "special" thing about the US is its power.
Law is the application of power. Good law is a good application of power. You are above the law if the law has no power over you.

So long as there is someone above the law, I personally treat the law as if it where any other form of coersion. Not ethically superior to a schoolyard bully.

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Originally Posted by martinguerre
I think you seriously underestimate the problem of draft resistance. if uncle sam came knocking for another war...i think it would be a real issue to get folks to go. i just don't think we have the political resolve to do any of that. if there was another devastating attack...yeah. but absent that, we're looking at the current volenteer force. with that? i don't think we can effect much of anything past air strikes in Iran. at least not with out substantially changing other deployments such as S. Korea.
You draft people who have finished their military service, and only them.

This will cause a future problem (people not wanting to join the military), but it will make certain that most people can believe "oh, it won't happen to US, so that's ok".

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Originally Posted by Mr Mephisto
Free? Cheap? Like Iraq was? Is there any reasonable explanations for these comments?
Yes, the Iraq war was cheap. More people where murdered in California during the than died in Iraq during this ongoing war and occupation.

Compare Iraq to other wars. WW1 or 2. Civil war. Veitnam. Even Korea. Look at what the economies of other nations do when they go to war.

The Iraq war was cheap. The size of the military budget during the Iraq war wasn't all that much higher than the size of the peacetime US military budget.

Admittedly, 90%+ of casualties where kept alive by the improved emergency medical care, so the death rate in Iraq is much lower than the level of danger would indicate. If this war where to have happened 20 years ago, the same level of damage to soldiers would have caused 2 to 4 times more deaths.

I'm saying that a successful war against Iran would be expensive. You'd have a serious economic impact from fighting it. The USA has the capacity to crush Iran, but it would cost the USA.

And maybe I'm wrong -- maybe the USA could strip Europe and Japan and forces at home, call up all reserves, hire mercinaries in Afghanistan and Iraq, and defeat Iran's military.

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Originally Posted by powerclown
How could the US even fathom considering flushing a toilet in Iran, let alone invade it? With the controversy they created in Iraq? No WAY could the US have plans to invade Iran.
Bush won the election, and has stated this clears him of all culpability on Iraq. The US people said 'we saw what you did in Iraq, and approve'.

The current American government doesn't care about international opinion.

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Originally Posted by powerclown
If the US attacked Iran, I think WW4 would break out. With Chiraq carrying up the rear guard.
/shrug, WW2 and WW3 where profitable for those in control of the American economy. Starting a new one would also be good for them, probably.
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