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Originally Posted by irateplatypus
bah, this kind of discussion drives me nuts.
it all seems to say to people "ok, you're welcome to free speech... but just make sure that you hang your 'crazy sign' on the window so everyone knows. you're welcome to your free speech, of course you're welcome to it (we wouldn't think of abridging that)... only, can you please exercise it... over there. yeah, over there in the corner where none of the rest of us have to encounter it. yeah, wayyy over there. stay free buddy!"
what good is free speech if it doesn't have the chance to effect society (and, in a democracy, the organs of government)? what good is it to donate, shout, plan and protest if you assent to people putting you into a "crazy box" where both sides give unspoken assent to not take you seriously?
but irateplatypus... these people are against SCIENCE! science of all things... surely we must curb them if they're against science. that will ruin us all! can't you see they're crazy and must therefore be made unable to make real change in the world?
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Who are you argueing Irate?
Everyone is this discussion seems to agree that there is more than naked science to be discussed here, and that science is not a be all end all above question.
As for free speech, well I never said they couldn't say whatever the want wherever they want. Neither did anyone else. I did say I have as much right to put up my billboards and op-ed peices.
My allusion to the pot and kettle was that this same group would then be up in arms about what I had to say, but tend to think that anyone who openly challenges their theories is simply failing to see the truth.
They can call what they want the truth, whenever and wherever they want. I can put up a billboard that says "Christianity cuases babies to die" wherever I want and call it truth. becuase neither holds an ounce of water, but both are covered by free speech. The aformentioned groups reaction to my billboard however, would be markedly different than the reaction they expect to their expressed ideas. That is the very nature of the pot calling the kettle black.