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Originally Posted by Charlatan
I don't think there will be subway lines for a long time, they are too expensive... I do like the idea of more dedicated streetcar lanes like they have on Spadina.
One idea for trains would be some sort of rail line that connects the Sheppard Subway to the GO railline that runs through the Don Valley... it woud be an express that would have stops connecting at the via duct and Union station.
Kirk, you are right that Toronto has avoided much of the horrors of urban expressways but unfortunately planning outside the city borders is for shit. The sprawl that continues to expand throughout the GTA is going to be what brings Toronto to its knees if we don't get a better transit system in place.
With so many people living in the sprawl and working in the city the traffic on the existing feeder expressways is horrendous. There will be many more battles in the future about building more highways or expanding the ones we have...
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Very true.
I can tell you that the Sheppard Subway cost $150,000,000.00 per kilometre.
Tha'ts one hundred and fifty million dollars per km.
The majority of the cost is the stations themselves. The Sheppard / Younge Station was around 200 mill.
Bayview, around 160 I believe.
The tunnels themselves were about 100 million.
They have plans to extend Sheppard to Scarborough town centre I believe. I have often thought that some sort of arrangement could be reached with the greedy developers to give them the rights to build overtop of stations provided they build the stations.
Or sell the right to build over some of the existing stations.
At one time they couldn't decide whether to build a Queen Street line or a Bloor Street Line. They chose Bloor, but not before they built a Station at Queen / Younge. It's down there, all boarded up, but it's there.
Same with Bay Street. There is another station that was built below the Bay Station. All you see on the Bay Street Station is this mysterious door that leads down to a second Bay Street Station below the one that everyone uses.
Paying for the Subways would be possible if the feds and province helped out a bit. Keep in mind that every year 9 Billion dollars flows OUT of Toronto proper to the other parts of the country never to return, and 8 billion more from the so called GTA for a total of 17 billion dollars.
Imagine what we could do with that.
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