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Originally Posted by sob
Hmmm. Isn't this entire thread discussing people who get "huffy" about the name of a dorm?
By the way, when I use the word "fuckwad," I'm quoting:
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Well, I suppose that doesn't change the fact that the word is not a constructive addition to the discussion. That Superbelt (Edited to fix a misaken identity in my first post) used it doesn't change that assessment, that it had nothing to add. By the way, I was asking more in response to Tarl's post not yours (sorry for the confusion...pay it no mind).
I refer you, however, to my response to you in which I asked what all the quotes were about the right to sovereignty, when it appears that most folks here don't disagree with the concept of the right to secession.
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Originally Posted by sob
Actually, as has clearly been shown, it was Lincoln who betrayed the Constitution, and the agreements that some states stipulated before they would agree to the document. The inappropriateness of the words "treason" and "traitor" have already been clearly established as well.
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Why is that, because you say so? I think we've been having an interesting debate over just that, but noone from any perspective has brought up anything that does what you claim. Are you one of those who says 'my side has some evidence so we must be 100% right without question!' ? I would hope not.
I think Shani has brought up some wonderful items, which shed some real light on the matter and I think all can learn something from. Now if your eager to find a clincher, I'm sure you could take them as such, but in light of the evidence and thoughts brought up around the table it clearly isn't.
To consider Lincoln to have betrayed the Constitution is not without merit, as it is also not without merit to consider those who led, backed, and fought for the Confederacy to be traitors. Either may well be true, and a lot depends on your concepts of what constitutes betrayal and treason, not to mention what your grasp of the facts are. I happen to disagree with both concepts, but am willing to hear out the arguments for and against both.
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Originally Posted by sob
There's not much to add to what's already been said, other than if others reserve the right to be offended by the word "Confederacy," I have the right to be offended by the grossly inaccurate name-calling above.
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I won't deny your right to being offended by the word 'fuckwad'. It's inappropriate and demeaning. But it hasnothing to do with the debate at hand, and means nothing in the context of the issues we are talking about.
Josh