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Originally Posted by Rekna
Filtherton the problem with your argument is by saying "Under God" you are not supporting christianity or any other religion. You are supporting diesm which is what this nation was founded on. "Divine Creator" "Natures God" both appear in the decleration of independence.
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As i said before, the relevance of the DOI when placed next to the relevance of the constitution is so small as to be practically invisible. The constitution is the law of the land, not the DOI. God is a figure whose domain exists solely in the realm of religion, to claim that the mention of god in the pledge- especially in light of the widely known fact that it was placed there under some misguided notion that it would hurt the cause of communism- isn't an endorsement of religion is silly.
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Originally Posted by Mojo_PeiPei
I don't think it is a Christian need. Historically all the founding fathers were at the very least deists. The notion of our contract government can be seen in the first paragraph of the DOI, we are endowed by God the creator with our rights, that is the basis of our power which we in turn lend to the government.
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I think when it comes down to it, what the founding fathers may or may not have personally believed is completely trumped by the fact that they felt the need to codify a secular government when they wrote the constitution.
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Originally Posted by pinoychink790
a belief system can be considered as a religion. they are one in the same. It doesn't matter if there's a war or not. it's still a religion
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A tiger looks kind've like a cheetah, but that doesn't make it a cheetah. Communism is a belief system, conflict theory is a belief system, science is a belief system, none of these are religions. Religions involve spirituality, by definition.